#3: Overcome Anxiety Through Connection Back To Self, with Tara Swann

In today's fast-paced and anxiety-inducing world, many people find themselves trapped in a cycle of fear and insecurity. Anxiety can be debilitating, affecting every aspect of our lives and preventing us from reaching our full potential. But what if there was a way to break free from this cycle and step into our true power and potential?

In this interview, I am delighted to be sitting down with the incredible Tara Swann. Tara is an Emotional Empowerment Coach and Best-Selling Author whose mission is to help individuals shift from anxiety and self-doubt to emotional empowerment, confidence, self-love, freedom, and personal liberation.

Throughout our chat, we explore the concept of emotional empowerment, overcoming anxiety and the complexities of anxiety as a whole. Tara's own experience with anxiety, coupled with her struggles with an autoimmune disease, highlights the connection between emotional well-being and physical health, illuminating the powerful influence that the mind has on the body.

Tara emphasizes the importance of grounding back into the body and becoming aware of emotions, whilst highlighting the role of inherited values and the need to consciously choose a life of alignment to achieve peace and freedom within. We share a range of practical tools and techniques for managing anxiety including Tara’s own morning routine for self-care and connection. Tara also speaks to the importance of modelling healthy emotional expression for children and how she does this with her two young boys.

About Tara Swann

Tara Swann is an Emotional Empowerment Coach and Best-Selling Author whose mission is to help individuals shift from anxiety and self-doubt to emotional empowerment, confidence, self-love, freedom, and personal liberation. Her journey began with personal struggles against anxiety and a fear of being seen while establishing her business. She identified that her anxiety was rooted in suppressed childhood emotions and limiting beliefs. By addressing these issues, she overcame her anxiety and transformed her perspective on life.

Tara's transformation is remarkable, transitioning from chronic anxiety, depression, and an autoimmune disease to a life beyond her dreams. This transformation came through reconnecting with herself, understanding her emotions, and consciously influencing her emotional state. This newfound freedom allowed her to live in the present, break free from survival mode, and experience ultimate peace and unconditional happiness. Tara's latest program, 'Becoming Her,' offers guidance on achieving emotional empowerment in a way that suits each individual. Tara Swann's journey and teachings provide hope and inspiration for those looking to conquer anxiety and embark on a path of emotional empowerment and self-discovery.

Connect with Tara

Website: https://www.taraswann.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/itstaraswann/

Becoming Her: https://www.taraswann.com/becomingherbook

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Transcript

JEMAINE:
Today I am joined by the most beautiful soul, Tara Swan. This passionate, heart-driven, ocean-obsessed Pisces and mama of two beautiful boys is the most soulful woman who helps people free themselves from fear and step into their true power and potential. Through her work as an emotional empowerment coach and author, Tara inspires people to think outside of the box, break up with their insecurities, and show up with confidence to consciously create a life they adore waking up to every day. If you, like me, fall in love with Tara as soon as you get your ears around this episode, do yourself a favor and start your library with her books. Her first two, You Don't Have Anxiety and Becoming Her, help you see what is truly possible in reclaiming happiness and the life you deserve. Enjoy the episode and don't forget to hit subscribe Let's dive in.

Tara, welcome.

TARA:
Hello, thank you for having me here.

JEMAINE:
Going through your content and reading one of your books, one of your many books, I resignate so much with your message and so I truly am grateful to have you here with us today. Thank you. So Tara, your first book that I've read, You Don't Have Anxiety, that spoke to me. It spoke like loud to women in my immediate circle of friends. I feel like your story would resonate with so many of our audience. I know that this is one of two books that you currently have and I hear there's a third baby on the way. So I, um, I would love to start here, uh, with anxiety and your journey there. And, uh, let's see where this conversation takes us.

TARA:
Sounds good. It's a, it's a big story, so I'll try not to drag it out, but basically I struggled with chronic anxiety and depression. for 17 plus years of my life. I was diagnosed, I don't know, I think it was early 20s or late teens and I kind of thought like, okay, this is just my life now. Like I've got, I've been diagnosed with chronic anxiety and depression. This is just how I have to live. And when I was about 23, I suffered a heap of different health issues of which I won't go into, but there was, there was quite a few, including an autoimmune as well as my anxiety and depression. I went to doctors and specialists and they kind of just prescribed different, you know, pharmaceutical fixes for each thing. And I kind of got fed up because I was going to all these doctors. Each drug that they prescribed was just kind of leading to worsened issues, different issues.

So I got fed up, did my own research and basically cut everything out of my diet. And within a couple of weeks, I had healed most of my physical health issues with whole food nutrition. And that was the beginning of me starting to question everything that we're taught. Because that's kind of the first thing that I thought after waking up feeling completely different was why aren't we taught this stuff? So that started my passion for health and it did help with my anxiety slightly. And I speak about it in my book, You Don't Have Anxiety, how the gut and the mind are connected. So obviously nutrition is a huge component of healing, but I still struggled with anxiety and depression for another eight years following. So it didn't completely heal it. It was one piece of the puzzle. And so I got to about 31 years old and started my business in originally in network marketing. And I didn't realize that being in business would prompt the biggest personal development. or biggest transformation of my life. So that led me into starting to question everything that was going on in my mind.

You know, the things that I had to do to actually start a business, including showing my face and being seen was really fucking scary for someone with anxiety. I couldn't, I literally took me, it took me six months to send a voice message to a friend when I started my business. It took me about a year to even post a video of myself. So this was a huge thing for me, but it was beautiful in that it, it got me to step out of my comfort zone and really look at the parts of my life that I was hiding from and not just hiding like within my house, because my anxiety literally had me not wanting to leave the house some days. Um, like when I started my business, my second baby boy, Milo was only seven weeks old and I was literally using him as an excuse not to leave the house, but it wasn't him at all. It was just that I had anxiety and I was so afraid of running into people and actually speaking to people. Speaking was once my biggest fear.

And so it was that, like I wouldn't leave my house, but also I would, if I was to go to an event or something, I would use alcohol and drugs to get out and actually speak to people. Like I couldn't, I felt like I couldn't do it myself. I was so afraid of everything. I was so afraid of, being judged, of people seeing me, you know, saying the wrong thing, all of the fears, any fear that you can think of, I had it, right? So when I started my business, I started healing in that way. It still took me such a long time to even show my face. So when I was about, I think 18 months into my business, I was working with a coach. So by this time I'd actually separated from the father of my children. Our relationship was basically based on partying and sex and all of those things, which was really like not the foundation you want to start any relationship on, especially one with children. So left that relationship and I moved into my own space, my own, um, sacred healing space. And so that was where most of my healing actually took place. So I'd moved out, started working with a coach for my business, and she kind of said to me, why don't you hold a free live training? At the time it sounded like a good idea. So I announced this free live training on my social media. And as soon as I announced it, I had a wave of anxiety come over me and I was pacing my house thinking, what the fuck did I just do? Like, I can't speak to people. How am I supposed to show up? live, like online live and show and actually speak to whoever shows up to this live training. And so I was pacing the house and thankfully I could reach out to this coach at any time. And I kind of said to her, look, I don't, I I'm struggling right now. Like I have really bad anxiety. I'm having a panic attack. I can't do this.

She said the following words that actually prompted the path I'm on now. So it actually was the, what initiated the path I'm on now. And those words were, "Your thoughts are attached to feelings. If you release the feelings or the emotions, your thoughts will disappear as a byproduct." And so I went and sat with it. I sat with my anxiety. I, felt into my body and I could literally feel where that emotional energy was being stored in my body. And as I sat with it, it moved up and I could feel it moving up and it was in my throat. And then I cried it out, right? I had a huge cry. And as soon as I'd released the emotion, I had a realization or a memory pop off of why I actually had so much fear around speaking in the first place. And as soon as I had that realization, I realized that my anxiety was actually a symptom of suppressed emotion and beliefs I'd held from my past experiences. So beliefs of, it's not safe to use my voice, it's not safe to be seen, like I'll be teased or ridiculed if I speak to people. And as soon as I realized that and realized where I did stem from, I was like, oh, I don't actually need to be afraid of that. It was just so deeply ingrained in my subconscious that I couldn't see past it. And as soon as I released that and realized that I was able to show up to that free life training with confidence and clarity, that prompted me to sort of think, OK, OK, if I can overcome my years of my fear of speaking, what else can I do here? And that actually led me on the path of releasing emotions and moving into emotional empowerment, which is kind of what I've sort of created and spoken about in both of my books, but more so in my second book, Becoming Her.

So releasing emotions and being in touch with my emotions has freed me. It's liberated me. It's helped me find my confidence. It's helped me overcome my anxiety and depression. actually helped me heal from my autoimmune disease and it's it's led me on the path I am now. To the point of writing two books for someone that was so utterly afraid of being seen and heard and telling a story, those books are so raw and vulnerable and I share all of me and I have no fear around doing that anymore because I feel so in touch with myself and powerful within myself that I feel impenetrable, if that makes sense.

JEMAINE:
Thank you so much for sharing that. There is just so much just in that first introduction that I think would just be so valuable for people in navigating their own experience of anxiety. I would love to know, you know, when you were in the thick of the shit, how did anxiety feel for you? Like, what did you feel in the body?

TARA:
Well, that's a hard question to answer because when I was in the thick of it, my anxiety, I was not in my body. I was in my mind, like, and that's ultimately what anxiety is, right, is being so caught up in the mind and in the stories you're telling yourself and in all of those thoughts that you can't, you're not dropping into your body and actually feeling what's happening in there because that's how I overcame my anxiety was by dropping into my body and feeling what's happening and allowing myself to feel what's happening. So when I was in the think of it, It was just all thoughts, all stories I was telling myself, self-loathing, like deeply critical of myself to the point it would just have me spiralling. So I would spiral into this loop and at the end of it I was just so fed up with my own thoughts and mind drama that I would end up in bed depressed for a day or two or however long it would last.

So I was so completely disconnected from my body that I didn't feel anything that was happening. And that led me to the point of actually sort of suppressing everything. And I would feel numb for days. That was one side of it where I was like, okay, I'm so afraid I'm going to be in my mind so much. Like, I'm not going to leave my house. Can't do this. I'm going to turn to alcohol and drugs. And I, you know, I used to drink a bottle of wine or two a night. I, as I spoke about in my books, I struggled with addiction for a brief period. That was one side of it. So I would escape through that or I would go to do something and have a major panic attack. So let's say I went to, I was going to go to an event, I would get almost there and then a wave of anxiety would come over me and I'd just be panicking and thinking I can't go in there and I would turn around and go home. It was just shaking, sweating, all the things. It affected me in so many different ways but I would just stay in my safe place. I would stay inside and not let myself be seen and that's no way to live really.

JEMAINE:
I love the way that you share that, you know, it's a complete disembodiment, you know, you are up in the head and the way I explain it to clients is like, it's like you've got this severed electrical cable and it's like up here and sparks are going everywhere, your mind's just like pew pew pew and we really need to, just like any electricity needs to be grounded, we need to grab that cord and just ground it, pull it straight back down into the body and find that sense of grounding. I think first, if we could come back to, I guess, that history of addiction and drug use. You know, you see a lot of people who are in that addiction and recovery space where they can often look at the drug as the root cause, that partying, the substance, the breakdown of the physical body as a consequence of the substance use and abuse causes the anxiety. And I think your story shares quite a lot that that is not the root cause, because very often in these behaviours, it is an opportunity to numb. It's a tool, whether we're conscious of it or not, a tool to numb what is really going on.

TARA:
Yeah, I mean, the only thing that really helped me resolve it was connecting to my body and my emotions. Obviously, there are a heap of factors that can come in and help you actually manage anxiety and sort of regulate and, you know, find solutions long term. There are so many, but yeah, ultimately that was, that was the biggest thing for me was being connected to my body and releasing emotions. Like you do think that I blame the drugs and it's true. Like you can have alcohol or drugs and it can definitely lead to worsened anxiety for sure. but it's not the root cause. Like I would reach for those things to avoid how I was feeling. And it's the same with food. Like if people are reaching for food or TV or anything, really, it doesn't have to be drugs and alcohol. Addiction can come in many forms. And my addiction sort of evolved through the years as well. So it didn't just stay with drugs and alcohol, but there was like, yeah, food and TV and phone and different things. But definitely it's an avoidance. And I think anxiety is pretty similar in that it's an unconscious avoidance of what you're feeling. But we're not taught how to actually manage it. We're taught to escape it. We're taught to distract ourselves. And we're taught to take drugs for different things. I was prompted by my therapist and doctor to actually take medication for my anxiety and depression, but I had a knowing that it wasn't for me, so I refused at the time. And maybe I should have, maybe it would have helped me at some point, but I had a knowing that it wasn't for me. There's a reason for that because it led me to where I am now, which I'm so grateful.

JEMAINE:
As am I. I'm so grateful for you and your story and this wisdom that you're sharing with the world as well. Another element that I would love to just touch on is, I find it interesting, you mentioned a lot of the physical health symptoms that you experienced were a part of an autoimmune disease. Was that right?

TARA:
Yeah, psoriasis. So I had psoriasis covering my entire body on multiple occasions through my life.

JEMAINE:
As a naturopath, autoimmune disease is an area where I've worked in professionally myself, and I find it quite interesting when we look at what's happening in the body. Autoimmune disease is where the immune system starts attacking self, right? And I see this a lot where we start to have a look at the dis-ease beneath the disease. And I mean, you mentioned it a lot throughout your experience of anxiety. It was this attack on self, this fear of being seen, sense of you know whether it be unworthiness or guilt or shame or whatever those underlying emotions and you know mentally and emotionally we're attacking self and then where the brain and this is what neuroscience is just catching up to what we've intuitively always known but You know, the brain starts telling and communicating to the body and the hormones and the immune cells to attack self. And we see that expression in the physical disease as a result of the underlying disease. So interesting. Yeah. So I would love to know, you've mentioned and you've drawn on coming back into the body and becoming aware of self and the emotions is a huge part of your healing journey. I'm wondering if you could share some of the tools or practices that really helped you on that journey.

TARA:
Yeah, 100%. So like, I actually didn't go and see anyone. I didn't even know anyone was practicing this work, you know, so I kind of had to work it out on my own for the most part. But I kind of just allowed my body to experience what it was trying to get me to experience. And that looked like crying, it looked like having a rage, like I would have... There was a week, and it was one of the most empowering weeks of my life, Actually, like the week I say that I liberated my feminine was a week of just having a rage every single morning. So I would like beat up my couch, throw pillows, go for like rage sprints, and then wash it off in the ocean. And I feel like women have so much suppressed anger that we just need to rage. We just need to let it out, right? Because we're taught that it's not sort of ladylike to feel that way. It's more to express it. So there was that, there's obviously crying, there's like grieving as well, grieving parts of yourself, grieving parts of your life that you wish had turned out differently. So that can be really painful in itself.

Grieving, I've actually had tantrums before because my inner child needed to have a tantrum and I actually had to laugh at myself afterwards because I must have looked ridiculous. But it was amazing because it's exactly what I needed to do. It was exactly what I needed to experience. So I just kind of trusted and went with whatever it was that I needed to feel. But obviously, there's different practices. So there's like inner child meditations that coaches have helped me work through.

I've always connected to my body. Like each night, generally, I will connect to my heart and my body and my inner child. Like if she's afraid, I'll just hold my heart and say, I've got you, I've got you now. like reparenting yourself. What is your, what is that child part of you need, right? And how can you give that to her or him or her? And then there's journaling. Like I've worked through so much through journaling. That was a huge practice for the most part.

Gosh, there's so many things, so many things. But yeah, it's just like, I think, I think trusting what's coming up for us to mostly because We don't, well, I certainly didn't trust myself. I didn't trust what was coming up for me. I would question all of it. But when I got to the point of like, okay, this is the first thing I'm thinking, okay, what does that mean to me? Or like, this is what I'm feeling in my body, whether it's in my chest or my stomach, I'm just going to be with that. What's that trying to tell me? So trusting what's coming up in our body is a huge thing. And then just going with it, going with it. And then obviously reaching out for support. I've worked with a lot of coaches, invested a lot of money in coaches. that have helped me move through so much of this as well.

JEMAINE:
I have a question that's just popped up and it is from watching you and your actions and holding your heart. I'm curious, is this something that comes intuitive to you when when trying to reach into those emotions or is there an understanding for why that can be soothing and safety for you?

TARA:
To me, it's like a gesture of self love. It's like, OK. I've got my heart now, I've got it. Like I'm holding myself through this. There's like times where I've just like held myself as well. So it's not just even hand on heart, but like holding myself completely. Like I've got you. We're in this together. Speaking to my inner child, speaking to different parts of myself. So that's another thing that I think is important to acknowledge is like, I'm feeling this way, but actually it's just a part of me that's feeling this way. So how can my higher self hold that part of me as she's feeling this way, because that part of you ultimately is showing up for you. Every single part, even the most critical, is actually showing up for you and with positive intent. So befriending every single part of you is so important, and I think it's the foundation of, it's self-love, ultimately. If we want to love ourselves, we can't reject any part of ourselves. Like, if we've got a part of ourselves that's showing up and saying something and it's like, I don't want to hear that right now. It's like actually that's a part of you that's probably taken on this role because back when you were a child, it thought it had to do that to protect you from feeling a certain way. So it's like, okay, I hear you, validate that part, be with that part. What is it protecting you from? And then underneath that is probably emotion that needs to be felt, right? And once that emotion is felt, that part no longer has anything to protect you from, and it finds a different role or it moves on, right? That's how you integrate parts of yourself and actually start to free yourself from these challenging thoughts, challenging emotions. Does that make sense?

JEMAINE:
Absolutely. And, you know, I love that that is how you've just intuitively come to feel into that heart space. It's quite interesting in neuroscience, they've actually done research around what hand on heart actually does from the perspective of safety. I'd love to hear it. Yeah, so within the womb, obviously, the fetus and the developing baby is in a, basically in a bag of fluid, right? So that gives us this rocking sensation. And actually, before I go into the mechanics behind it, I mean, when when you're given a baby, or you're holding a baby in your hand, and you're a mother of two, so what is the first thing you do to soothe the crying baby?

TARA:
Oh, yeah, we just hold it and rock.

JEMAINE:
Yeah. and pat it, right? It's that that patting of soothing and and social neuroscientists in the social realm of neuroscience started to question how human beings came to know that, like, how have we evolved to intuitively have that as a mechanism, whether you're a parent or not, holding a baby. That's typically what we do. We rock and we pat the baby. And they had actually found this mechanism where in utero, the baby is in this fluid where it's naturally rocking, and the mother's heartbeat is regulating the baby's nervous system. And so the social neuroscientists then handed this over to neuroscientists investigating the trauma space. And they started to recognize that that regular rhythm is what soothed the child and created the sense of safety. And so they created this technique that they handed on to bodywork practitioners, where they would You would stand and you'd want to be soft, soft knee.

Often when we're in a state of survival, our knees are locked out, we're quite rigid. So you see a lot of Tai Chi practitioners and a lot of people in that kind of space, they're soft in the knees. And then we just kind of rock from pronated to supinated in our feet and it creates this rocking sensation. And because our hands have evolved, our hands are exploration, exploring parts outside of us and making meaning of that. So if we were to pat ourselves, it doesn't have that same effect. There's a level of disassociation. But if we hold our hand on our heart, we can feel that internalized beating of the heart that's not coming from the hand. And it gives us that tapping sensation for our nervous system to find that sense of safety. And then it is once we've made that connection that we start using the breath to integrate it all. And we start kind of breathing in through the nose and that elongated breath out through the mouth. And that is what starts to integrate the prefrontal cortex and like to quieten that down and integrate the brain with the body and override that survival coping strategy that's embedded in our nervous system to feel safe again. But it's quite interesting because I understand where that came from. that science perspective, but intuitively, we've always done that. And you see people in this emotional space, or when they're sharing a heartfelt story, or they're, they're trying to empathize with someone, the hand immediately goes to the heart.

TARA:
So powerful. And I just like, obviously, when you're speaking, I just put my hand on my heart, and instantly, my breathing slowed down, like I would start breathing through my nose. And it is, it's just still like, Okay, coming back to self, coming back to my heart and I'm going to breathe into this and yeah, that breath obviously is one way to calm your nervous system down and it's just an instant. So interesting.

JEMAINE:
Yeah. And so you also mentioned in your journey, journaling was a big part for you. And I know that journaling in, you know, this personal development space, a lot of people speak about journaling. And I do see that there are elements, I guess, similar to meditation, where people are going, you know, journaling is just not for me, meditation is just not for me, or I can't do it. And, you know, these practices, they do take practice. But I'm wondering how journaling, I guess, expressed for yourself and if there are any journaling prompts that you might be able to share with our audience.

TARA:
Yeah, definitely. Journaling. I actually started journaling when I was about 12 years old. And that's one reason I love writing so much and why I wanted to be a writer is because it's always felt like I've always been called to it. But when I was in my teens, early teens, it was my form of therapy. I felt like I had no one to talk to. I felt like I was crazy. And journaling was my escape. Journaling was my own personal therapist. So I would just get everything out of my mind and onto paper. And it would help me clear some of that clutter that was going on in my mind. So I started journaling really early, dropped it for many, many years, picked it up again in the last four or five years. But it just, It's, it's like when you're writing or when you're journaling, it helps you process things at a slower pace.

Obviously when you're in your mind, your thoughts are racing, you can't really like you're jumping back and forth. I find when I journal, it helps me slow down and really think about what I'm, what is coming out. And I've had so many powerful realizations through journaling just because I'm able to process things at a pace. It just, it's as a slow pace, I guess. Um, But not only that, when you're intentional about journaling. So generally my journaling practice kind of looks like free writing. So I will just get anything out of my mind, what's present. I would put all that down onto paper. So that helps me clear my mind. But then I become intentional about what I'm journaling.

So obviously gratitude, you hear a lot of people say like practice gratitude. But there's a reason for that. Like it helps you recognize the parts of your life that are actually abundant and the parts of your life where you actually are in love and enjoy instead of focusing on all the parts that you currently dislike. And that just completely changes your mindset for the day. So that's powerful practice in itself. Like I still practice gratitude almost every single day because it helps me so much. So free writing, gratitude, and then a kind of twist into, okay, well then what do I want to create or how do I want to feel? So I will then think about, okay, what is it that I'm trying to achieve for the day, for the week, for the month, for the year, whatever it is, what's my big thing? Okay, and here are some journaling prompts. So what is it that I desire? So I write down what I desire. How is that you know, when I have that, how is that going to make me feel? And the reason we want something right, the reason we desire something is because it's going to make us feel a certain way. So it's more about the emotion behind it rather than what, than the actual thing. So what do I desire? How's that going to make me feel? I would write down all of the emotions and I would just bask in that. So I kind of visualize as I'm writing these down, bask in all of those emotions.

And then the third prompt would be, okay, Where are those emotions already present in my life now? Or like, what are some creative ways I can cultivate more of that now? So let's say I want, I don't know, more money because that's common, right? I want more money. That's going to make me feel abundant and free. Just two examples. There's obviously many, many ways that make me feel.

Where do I already feel abundant in my life? and this is something I've done before, so I feel abundant in this home that I live in. I feel abundant in the car that now no longer has a loan on it. I feel abundant in the beautiful nourishing food that's in my fridge right now, in the clean water that's coming through my tap, you know, like there are so many ways that we can feel abundant now. I feel free in that I can move through my day and do what I kind of like in my day. I feel free that I can walk across to the beach and ground my feet in the, in the sand. You know, that helps me feel free. Um, so all of the ways that I'm free and abundant right now. And then I am.

And the fourth prompt is I am so grateful for these things in my life and like really bask in the gratitude of already having that, because ultimately, like I said, You want that desire because it's going to make you feel a certain way. What if you already felt that way now? Then you have it before you have it. You're in the frequency of that thing before you actually have it. Right? So that actually put me in a really beautiful state for the day. I did that for quite a while, those four prompts. And yeah, that would set me up for the day that I would be in the state that I wanted to be in to actually attract the thing that I wanted. But it also helped me take inspired action towards that, I think.

JEMAINE:
And that's so beautiful you know I think that's powerful because again in the personal development space there's a very masculine approach to goal-setting it's very logical and linear and to get here I need to do this step and this step and this step and you know the feminine is we're emotional beings and to be able to I used to say to my clients, rather than setting goals, let's just set a visualization. And I would find people would get the most success where they would see in their mind that moment where they can embody how they feel in that moment using the internal senses, what they see, what they hear, how they feel, where they feel it in their body in that moment. And then, as you said, when we can actually attach it to something in our immediate environment and create awareness, you know, the brain, again, coming back to neuroscience, has this filter that allows us to, you know, when we have an intention, it will show us everything in our environment and our surroundings that align with that intention. And they're always there. It's just we're walking around with this narrow vision until we set the intention to open the peripheries. And I love, love, love that you talk about aligning with the energy because that's what emotion is, right? We can literally measure emotion via the hertz, just like we measure the electricity running through our house. And if we can align with love and above, then we are at that higher vibration that not only shifts the physical energy within our body, but also allows us to magnetise in what is an alignment for that as well.

TARA:
Yeah, well, that's the thing, like, I never really liked setting goals. Like, like you said, it's very masculine approach. And every kind of mentor I worked with in the early days was like, got to have these goals, have big goals, and work towards that. And I'm like, I realized in the last maybe six months to a year, as my love Matt and I were speaking about it, it's like when you have a goal, it almost makes you think, okay, I've got this, I've got this goal. But when you're focusing on the goal, it's like, okay, but I don't have it now. So in this like lack mindset of not having it already and you're like, okay, but I've got to reach this thing and you're like forcing and trying to control things to get to this goal. But you're in this frequency of like, oh, like I'm not feeling good if I don't have it and I'm not worthy or I'm not good enough if I don't reach that goal. Like it makes you feel completely, yeah, you're just in lack completely. But when you look at it from another approach, like I've got this desire and I want to visualize having this thing. But also if I connect to the emotion of that, I can recognize what it is that I'm actually trying to achieve emotionally by having that. and also recognize where it's already present in my life. So actually, I'm already abundant now. I already have this now. And I don't need to reach that, but in being in that state, you magnetize it towards you anyway.

JEMAINE:
And, you know, this really touches on if for anyone who's entered their manifestation journey through the old documentary, The Secret. And, you know, he I think it's Bob Proctor says, write yourself a million dollar check or whatever it is. And and people, I think, have really misconstrued that in terms of like the material thing that they're holding in their hand. But it is just that right. It's it's creating that sense of abundance rather than stepping forward from a place of scarcity, so that you're already a vibrational match for what you're trying to call in.

TARA:
I think when we're always reaching for things outside of us, it's easy to come back to, well, why don't I have it? Do I not deserve it? And like, when you're in that mindset, it can spiral. So you can go into like, well, I'm not good enough. And like, what's wrong with me? And why can't I have this? And you know, It just can continue and that obviously can take you into anxiety as well. So yeah, it's definitely helped me and it's definitely like, I think having that daily practice of journaling and putting myself in that, in that feeling or in that emotion for the day has just helped me set up for my day. Like I've started my day like that. So I expect to have an amazing day because I'm already in that vibration.

JEMAINE:
You know, a lot of anxiety is that that sense of not feeling in control, right? It's almost like that anticipation of and we we catastrophize and we stack certain things and events and stories. And, you know, often based on our past experience, we try to anticipate what the future experience will be. And so I this is why I really love this element of technique that you teach in your journaling. And I know that it's big in your coaching and and what you do in your coaching models because it allows us in the morning before the news or the good morning show or people, circumstances and things start to flick us into that automatic state of perpetual stress and feeling out of control and I guess helpless in what's going on in the current environment and world around us. Before we even get to that point in our day, we can really become resilient by coming back to how do I want to feel How like what intention do I want for my day and bringing that personal power back to self? Yeah, absolutely and also Speaking of the news and things be really conscious of what you're consuming Do you find in your coaching model is is anxiety a Pattern in a lot of the clients when they first come to see you is is that a niche for you? Or is it more of a conscious creation for yourself?

TARA:
Definitely more so anxiety. My last one-on-one client, she actually was able to come off her anxiety medication for the first time in years just through connect to her body and releasing emotions. And yeah, that was huge. Um, so definitely it's, it's sort of become a niche, I guess. Um, but yeah, like I said, there are many ways to help regulate and manage anxiety, but to me, anxiety being a symptom, to me it was a symptom of suppressed emotion. If you can connect to the root of that symptom, then you can actually free yourself long term. Like I said, like I freed myself from chronic anxiety through releasing emotions because it was all a symptom of suppressed emotion. So yeah, that's kind of what basically what I help my clients do is connect to the root and that might not be suppressed emotion for them. Most of the time it is. Yeah, but it could be a multitude of things.

JEMAINE:
And I think you're bringing awareness to the media and what we're actually nourishing and feeding the mind with or what we're poisoning it with is really powerful because sometimes unconsciously suppressed emotion, I guess, can be, you know, that compassion for what's going on in the world, right? The emotion of all of these things, especially the climate of the last two to three years and letting that into our space without building up our resilience to be able to receive that information first, that in itself can evoke a lot that we just have to swallow down because it feels so big and outside of our control, right?

TARA:
Yeah, definitely. Definitely. And I remember I did have, just speaking about what's happening in the last, what's happened in the last few years, like I actually didn't consume a lot of that information. I got caught up in it at one point because I was speaking about kids and obviously like got my horns out. I was like, they're not touching my children. And I was like, that, that set me off. And I was definitely sort of anxious around that and thinking, okay, what's going to happen? Like, I'm actually afraid of what's going to happen. Do I need to put my kids out of school? And that set me off. And I was telling myself a lot of different stories about what could happen. Um, but ultimately I brought myself back to the present moment and Yeah, got myself out of that. But yeah, exactly. So if you're constantly consuming things from news or from other people, from their own stories and their own perception of things, it's going to lead you down a path that might not be pleasant or harmonious. And when you can bring your power back to you and being in the present moment, that's definitely, yeah, that'd be the best practice for sure.

JEMAINE:
Now one of the practices or more so one of the awarenesses that I think that your book brings is around values. And I really agreed with what you said in the book is that a lot of us don't spend the time to check in and really understand what it is that we value. You articulate really well in your book, You Don't Have Anxiety, how a lot of our values have been conditioned. And it's until we actually become conscious and intentional, often that can cause a lot of disconnect internally. I'm wondering if you can speak a little to that.

TARA:
Yeah, definitely. I mean, when I was first asked what my values were, I was like, what's even a value? I was like, I don't even actually know what my values are. And it seems like such an obvious thing, like, of course, I know what my values are, but I didn't. And I think a lot of people are in that space where they're like, OK, well, I'm going to Google values now because I actually don't know what some of my values are. Then you get an idea of it. So there's like obviously a whole heap of values, family, friends, freedom, connection, community, you know, could be anything. And from there, you can start dissecting what are actually my values. In my book, You Don't Have Anxiety, there are a list of values in there that people can go to when you really think about it. So if you were to write down your values, I think an important question to ask yourself is like focusing on one value. Is this actually mine or did I inherit this from my family or from my culture or society? And then you can ask yourself deeper questions like, OK, well, then if I inherited that, is it actually my value? What are my values? Like what, what do I truly believe? And I think it's so important to really think about what are my values and especially what are my top values? Because so often we are living out of alignment with them. That causes so much disharmony, which can ultimately lead to anxiety as well.

So, for an example, and I put this example in my book as well, like, and this is just a small example, but I really value, um, nature and animals and, um, like animal welfare and things like that. And, and yeah, using natural products, but I was buying products that tested on animals and weren't organic and weren't natural. And every time, and I didn't realize at the time, but every time I use them, it would feel gross. Every time I bought them, I'd be like, like, I don't know, I just felt so much disharmony. I had no idea why until I really connected to like, actually this doesn't, it sounds so obvious when I say it out loud, but like, actually this isn't in alignment with me and what I believe and what I want and the change that I want to create in the world. Why am I buying these things? Like there are so many products out there which I now use, which are natural, organic, cruelty-free, like most of the time I'll go for products with compostable packaging as well to reduce waste for the environment, you know. And I realised that, like, by using just this, making this simple shift, and I've made a lot of these little shifts because the little things add up to big things, but making this simple shift, I was like, oh, I feel so much better for using these products over the ones I was using that made me feel icky. And there's that, and they may cost a little bit more, but ultimately I value these things over money. So that money is also a value of mine, but I would rather spend money from a place of feeling good rather than spending a little less when I was feeling so awful for using these things. So this is just one example, but like, where in your life are you living in alignment with your values and where are you not? Because when you're not living in alignment with your values, your own authentic values. You are creating disharmony within yourself, which ultimately, like, when we think bigger, our outer world is a reflection of our inner world, when we are disharmonious within ourselves, sort of going to create that outside of us as well.

JEMAINE:
What are some examples of inherited values that you seem to have come across in your time? I guess it is unique for everyone, isn't it? I mean, what could be inherited could actually be a true value for somebody else.

TARA:
Definitely. Like, I mean, family was the first thing that came to mind. So like, you know, I can imagine this kind of one in my family is a value of mine too, but, um, like you may have had parents and being like family is the most important thing and so you go and put like your family first, you show up to things that may be not in alignment with other values of yours or may not be in alignment with what feels true for you but you're doing it for the family because family is should be your biggest value and so you've brought up, you've been brought up with the belief that family is the most important thing, but actually to you it may not be. To you, your own inner peace may be more important than whatever is happening, you know. So, that's just one example that was the first thing that popped into mind, but yeah, it is different for everyone, for sure.

JEMAINE:
And, you know, on the topic of family, I can relate to that. And it was only upon the last couple of weeks reading through your books and really introspecting that myself, I recognised the opposite to that, actually. You know, both of my parents were very isolated lone wolves themselves in their own unique ride and raised me to be that You know, my mom wanted me to be like, I think it's Sarah Connor from Terminator, and you know, we will never be made a man, you'll be self-sufficient, you can do this and, and a lot of elements of trauma, big T trauma and little t trauma throughout my life as kind of cause me to isolate myself very in a similar way and so I don't really hold much sentiment for family and I look at the family side of my dad's side of the family and they're all very close and they have cousins nights and cousins dinners and all the rest of it and and I always just like there was just something within me I always just felt like You know, no one has time for me. I don't really have time. And all of these different stories and things. But it was only the last year we, my partner and I, last year lived over East. With the COVID climate, it was our step that we had to pivot in that environment. And we were away from family and It really made me realize this ickiness, as you said, within myself and I had a deep longing and value. Family was actually a value for me, but I didn't feel where I could reconnect to that because I had isolated my whole entire life. But I started to really recognize upon my partner having to leave his family as we moved over east that It was something that I so deeply longed and, you know, I saw with my past relationship, they were very family orientated. And that was, I think I fell in love with the family more than the man, to be honest. And I think that's kind of something that I've always chased. And it was only this last year that I really thought family is a big value for me. And it takes practice now trying to find tools to reconnect that after being so disconnected from it for a long time. And every time I do make those small micro connections that something feels different inside and it feels great. It feels good. Yeah.

TARA:
And I think that's the key, right? Connecting to yourself and finding out how it feels for you. And that's a really beautiful way to determine like whether it is true for you or not. It's like, okay, well, if I was to align things in my life with this. How's that going to make me feel? And if I feel good about it, then obviously that is an alignment with me. If it's like, oh, actually, I don't feel that great. It's, it's probably not. And you mentioned that, like, you realize this over the past few years, um, through COVID, I think, I think COVID was good for us in a way in that it helped people come back to themselves and realize where, well, it helped a lot of people, I should say, not everyone. But it helped a lot of people come back to themselves and realize where in their life they weren't living in harmony. They weren't living in alignment with their truth. I had a best friend who was like working, I don't know how many hours a week in her business. And when she was forced to slow down, she was like, what am I doing? I'm just running my body into the ground and I'm not enjoying what I'm doing. So she has completely pivoted her life. which is beautiful to see, and I think it was good for a lot of us in that way, that it helped us reconnect to what was really true for us.

JEMAINE:
And I think a big inherited value, especially as, you know, we come from that background of work being everything. The Industrial Revolution is where I was trying to look for, where our parents and the generation of parents above them, it was all about work and work and providing for the family and money. And I feel like that is a big inherited value that we see now where people get stuck in that work trap. And I saw it myself as well when people were forced to step back or they lost their jobs. I saw a lot of clients asking, how can I start my own business? I need to be closer to my family. I want to live life on my own terms now. I don't want to be working this nine to five and exhausted when I'm around my family. And I saw this big shift where people started to go, you know what, money is not important to me anymore. I'm trying to work to get this money for my family, but I don't have any time to connect with my family.

TARA:
Yeah, like doing it for the family, but actually I'm not spending any time with family because of this. Yeah. And I can't believe I didn't think of that when you mentioned inherited values, of course, that was one of mine too. Like I watched my dad work really hard in his business and There was one thing like I was taught was you have to work hard to earn money and it's like the most important thing. And so I worked and worked and worked and pushed myself hard until I reached burnout and realized that my health was more important to me. My health was a higher value than like working hard and money was. So I was like, actually, I need to put my health first. Working in that way was not in alignment with what was true for me. It was an inherited value of mine, not actually my own.

JEMAINE:
And I so deeply resonate with that as well. I think a lot of people will probably resonate with that as well. So Tara, we've spent a lot talking about anxiety and you've given us so much value. I would love if we could just share a little about, I mean, you've got another book, Becoming Her. and another one in the pipeline. So share with us a little bit about, I guess, because this explains, I guess, a little bit of your personal evolution. But where is this next step in your journey taking us?

TARA:
Becoming Her is my love letter to all women. And I want every single woman to read that book because it is about coming home to yourself, connecting to yourself and aligning yourself, your inner world, with everything you're trying to create out there. Because for so much of my life, I found myself chasing a relationship because I thought it would make me happy. I found myself chasing all of these things, booking holidays, because I thought it would make me happy. But then I realized in achieving those things, none of them actually created the way I wanted to feel like it never cultivated that within myself. I had to find that within me first. And ultimately that led me to creating my dream life. And that is the chapter, the final chapter of becoming her is my life is my dream. I've created this and this is what I want for you as well.

But the whole book is about connecting to your emotions, why releasing emotions make you powerful and not weak, shifting your beliefs, standing, like holding your boundaries, holding your own personal power, liberating your feminine, and then consciously creating a life from that space of deep, deep self-love. So it's such a powerful book and yeah, I want it in the hands of every woman and Ultimately, that what I've written in that book has is exactly the process I went through to create the relationship that I've got now, which is unbelievable. It's beautiful, conscious, loving relationship where we can openly talk to each other and communicate and connect. And we make time for that. Like it's it's beautiful. And like nothing I've experienced in the past is that I'm like living my beachfront home. we're creating this life together, like, yeah, this book is so powerful. So ultimately, as well, it's led me to realising what's truly important for me in my life and what I truly want to be doing in my life, which I've realised is more so writing books, because writing is how I express myself. It's also the best way I express myself. Like I can express myself so much better through writing than I can through words, through speaking. And so that's where I find my flow. So I want to be pouring my energy into writing books because that's what makes me feel alive and happy and aligned. And I think that's the key, right? It's just living in alignment with what's true for you. This way you find your harmony. It's where you live with less anxiety. It's like, Yeah, it's everything.

JEMAINE:
And the next step, is there another in the pipeline that we're looking at here or is this going to be a watch this space?

TARA:
No, there's definitely, I've definitely started writing a third. I've got, I've got ideas for about five more books.

JEMAINE:
Keep them coming, they're amazing.

TARA:
Thank you. Yeah, so the next one's probably going to be titled, like 99% sure, A Trustful with the Universe. So that one's more about just surrendering to life as it comes to you. And then the fourth will be my manifestation of you. So, it's about how to call in the love that you desire and deserve.

JEMAINE:
Every book just sounds like you can really capture somebody in the thick of the shit and step by step guide them into this conscious being, this conscious self. And you know, this is where we touched on at the start of our conversation where science is only just catching up to things that we've been speaking about for decades and beyond is that, you know, At our purest entity, we are just energy. And when we can find that alignment and lift our vibration, we can call in this conscious creation. And I know for myself personally, when I kind of tapped in to that, that power that every single one of us do have, life does feel effortless. The anxiety does seem to slip away because we surrender. As you said with your upcoming book, when you can surrender and lose this sense of needing to control, We just feel at peace and can flow.

TARA:
Yeah, exactly. And like you said, we all have that power to be that. Back five or six years ago, if someone had told me that I had power to change anything in my life, I would have thought, okay, that's just BS. When I first heard of manifesting, I was like, what is this shit? That doesn't exist. I was like, I'm powerless to change anything in my life. I don't have that. But it's true, all of us have that power and it's about connecting to yourself to find that.

JEMAINE:
Now, you've shared a lot of valuable tools, one big one being that release of emotion and you've mentioned the tantrums and the rage fits and the rage runs and all of the things. I think this could be a really valuable tool. I've seen it in effect with clients and even myself and can validate this as an epic tool to use. Where can somebody find that balance between I guess, acting out and emotionally expressing, you know, in a way that is, we don't want to say appropriate, because I think appropriation of the things that we do in society has kept us refined and suppressed. But what are some different ways that people can express in a healthy manner? And I guess model to this as a mum, I'm not a mother myself, but for yourself, how can we also model this healthy expression to our children?

TARA:
Yeah. I think awareness is key. So like if you're finding yourself being reactive or wanting to act out, as you said, it's like, okay, well then what emotion is prompting that right now? Can you take yourself to a safe space, like in your home where it's just you, you're not afraid, you know, you don't have anyone around you to judge you or whatever. Gift yourself that time to actually express what is trying to come through you. And I did mention the rage sessions, the crying, like all of that. All powerful. Recommend all of it. But also.

There are different ways to express emotion, you know, like I mentioned writing, but what other creative ways can you actually express emotion? I know people write poetry and that poetry doesn't need to be read by anyone, but you could just write creatively whatever it is that you're feeling. And. not have to worry about whether anyone's going to read it, but it's a way to actually express what you're feeling at that time. And that in itself can diffuse it. There's other forms of creativity, like what other art do you like doing? I remember once I started painting furniture when I was feeling really sad. It was just like a way that I was expressing myself. I loved dancing, like dancing is a really beautiful way to move energy through your body and just express yourself like you can dance. Crazily, you can shake all the energy out of your body, or you can touch yourself sensually. That's a really beautiful way to bring love back to yourself. But there are so many ways you can express emotion, and it doesn't have to be through physically crying it out or whatever, but you can express through creativity, and creativity can literally be anything.

JEMAINE:
And I mean, that's what emotion is, right? Energy in motion. And if we can find a way, you know, if it's dancing, if we're feeling anger, stomping the feet in that dance is a great way to kind of ground into our root chakra and express that, you know, that strength in our legs and that grounding. You know, I found, this was many years ago before I actually even was in the space of health and well-being. I was out with a girlfriend for a night and we went for a big walk. It was like two o'clock in the morning and she disclosed some past traumas. And we laid down on the grass and I just said, I just want you to scream at the top of your lungs. And at first she was embarrassed. She was like, I can't, no way, like, no. And I was like, yeah, come on, let's do it, let's do it. And over time she just kind of felt comfortable and I just said, look, I'll go first. And I was like. I like screamed it out. And she just screamed in copying me. But in doing so, she just erupted in tears, followed by laughing, like hysteric laughing and crying. And it just liberated her. And, you know, if we think about emotion and vibration and just through that, that yelling, the vibration of the vocal cords, you know, I know for myself, A huge part of a lot of the numbness that I felt in my adult life was back to this moment where I literally can visualize as a teenager swallowing my emotions, swallowing it down and I felt that stuck lump in my throat and I swallowed it down, suck it up, no one's coming for you, you know, no one cares. And when we can find a way to allow that vibration or that massage, or whether it's gargling some water or gargling your mouthwash or singing or yelling and just getting that vibration to express the unsaid words, it can be really powerful.

TARA:
Yeah, 100%. Screaming is one of my favorite things to do. Any sort of vocalization, like even when I'm dancing, I can just, ah, like, let it out. Who cares if anyone sees? But at the same time, if you're doing it in your own space, it doesn't matter. No one's going to see you. You can just be that. Just let it come through you. It's so... powerful and liberating when you can do that.

JEMAINE:
Yes. And, you know, what a great way to be able to share this with our children. You know, if if the kid's triggering mom and mom's feeling this internal frustration, you know, let's just stomp it out. Let's be monsters and stomp it out around the house and let's be like scary monsters. And that in itself can just move some vibration. Right. Yeah.

TARA:
Yeah. I've done this so many times in front of my kids. Like I intentionally release emotions. in front of them a lot of the time. I want them to feel safe to be able to do that. I want them to know that it's normal to feel like anger, sadness, frustration, but just channel it in healthy ways. So like my boys, if they're feeling frustrated or angry, I'm like, okay, into mom's room and let's throw some pillows around. Let's beat up the bed. Let's scream into the bed. And I do it with them and I show them how to do it. And then by the end of that, they're laughing. And they passed it. There was another instance where I can't actually remember what my oldest son was feeling, but he was. I think he was feeling sad or like frustrated for some reason, and Matt and I put on some music and Matt and I just started dancing in front of him. Like we're just dancing around, just being silly, like stomping our feet. And then eventually he got up and did it with us. And we're all just like the four of us and my youngest as well, dancing around the room, like stomping our feet. And we just made it this big party, like it was funny, but it moved through what he was feeling and felt so much better afterwards. So. I never want my kids to grow up thinking that it's not okay to cry or feel angry, you know, um, especially, you know, they're two little boys. I want them to know that it's safe to cry and be that and, and feel what they need to feel because at the end of the day, I can honestly say that I think all of my issues, health and otherwise, have come from, partly from, you know, a suppression of emotion. So if they can move through their life being able to feel that energy that's flowing through their body, I'm saving them so much suffering, I feel.

JEMAINE:
That is really beautiful and I hope some mums have just put some tools into their little tool belt because I think that's really powerful and you know, we are the generation who has been raised through emotional suppression. I know my grandmother was on lithium for quote-unquote hysteria and you know that generation was men were told suck it up, men don't cry and these weren't open conversations in our parents' generation so that was you know, a repeat cycle of emotional suppression and these internalized perceptions of abandonment and stress and loneliness and, you know, all of the things that get internalized also get projected because it needs to express in some way. And so it is up to our generation as individuals, as parents, as teachers to create that change and create these tools and resources for that shift.

TARA:
Yeah, and ultimately it starts here, right? Like, if you're a mum, you can't, or anyone, you can't really teach that to someone else unless you've embodied that yourself. So, I had to first hold every part of myself and hold myself through those emotions before I could show them how to do that too. Because, yeah, anytime you are suppressing an emotion, you are rejecting a part of yourself and that part of you is probably your inner child that needs to express itself in some way. Like, love that. and then teach your children or whoever else it is in your life to be that as well. Yeah.

JEMAINE:
Yeah. Now, Tara, a couple of questions that I finish every show with. Now, I would love to know, do you have a morning routine? And if you do, what does that routine look like?

TARA:
Well, I do. Lately, it's been thrown out the window a little bit because, as I mentioned when we first jumped on the call, I recently found out I'm pregnant and I have been feeling rubbish. So lately I've just wanted to rest and do nothing and I've allowed myself to do that. But usually my morning routine would look something like, I usually get up really early, about 5 or 5.30 and have my lemon water. Although lately I've been having celery juice as well. So usually lemon water. And then I'll make myself some brekkie. with a hot drink, hot tea, um, and do my journaling practice. So whatever's coming through for that day, I'll allow that to come through. Then depending on whether I have my boys or not, I will go for a run outside or I might just do some movement inside. Um, and then yeah, what else? Oh, and I missed meditation. Usually I would do a, like a short meditation in the morning before anything. Sorry. Yeah. That's what my mornings usually look like.

JEMAINE:
Yeah. Very intentional. And I love that it brings a connection to self as well as that healthy movement. What a beautiful way to start the day. Now, I would also love to know, we've spoken a lot about the importance of coming back to self and that introspection. If you could give our audience one question to reflect on that you think will make the difference that makes the difference, what would that question be?

TARA:
Oh, my gosh. The first thing that came to my mind This might not be the ultimate question, but the first thing that came to my mind was, how can I love myself harder today?

JEMAINE:
Yes, I love that. How can I love myself harder today? Yeah. You've given us so many juicy tools from how to connect and move emotion, journaling, checking in with our values. And I know in your books, you stack and layer so much more value and techniques onto this. So I thank you. I thank you for your time. And I thank you for everything that you are bringing out into the world. Before we do wrap it up, how can my audience find you? How can they get their hands on your books? And where do you like to hang out most online?

TARA:
Okay, so definitely the best place is on Instagram. So my Instagram handle is at itstaraswan and swan's got two m's. So find me on there. The links for my books are all on my Instagram as well, but you can find my books which are You Don't Have Anxiety and Becoming Her. You can find them on Amazon or they're both on Audible now as well, which is so exciting.

JEMAINE:
Awesome. Well, I'll put all of those links in the show notes so everyone can get their hands on a copy. Thank you again, Tara. Thank you.

TARA:
I appreciate you.

JEMAINE:
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