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It's All Wellness
Welcome to a thought-provoking world where It's All Wellness.
Here we are redefining wellbeing in a way that puts you back into the driver's seat of your life, health and happiness.
Wellness is not just a conversation of “eat less and move more”, “meditate and go gluten free”. It's understanding the being beneath the behaviour. It is seeking the lessons and learnings that define the human experience and harnessing unique life challenges for growth and contribution. Turning pain into purpose and living an intentional and inspired life, liberated from limiting conditioning.
Every Wednesday I'll deliver a person or a message to inspire you toward personal responsibility for the health of your mind, body and environments within and around you. With collective insights and wisdom from conscious thought leaders and experts in the space of spirituality, emotional intelligence, mind-body medicine, psychology, neuroscience and NLP, relationships and finances, as well as social and political elements that influence how we perceive, create and respond to our personal reality, you'll round out the hour feeling inspired and empowered to take action toward a life that feels aligned.
I'm your joyful host, Jemaine Finlay, Australian naturopath, NLP practitioner, personal trainer, and motivational speaker. Also, an everyday gal navigating this beautiful and messy life just like you. I've been at war with myself, my finances, my relationship and a body that was breaking down. But I traded that old self in, for self awareness, self acceptance, self expression and self empowerment, and I'm here to help you do that to.
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#11: Lifting The Veil: Truth, Conspiracy, and Enlightenment with Madeleine Doherty
Have you ever felt the pull of unseen forces shaping your journey through life? Join us as Madeline Doherty, a researcher with a kaleidoscope of experiences from the Australian countryside to the realms astrology, conspiracy, and tribal Lore, shares her insights on how these forces intertwine to guide us back to our truth.
This episode is a deep dive into the occult with a lot of ground covered. From the elite and the greater agenda, to the dark side of the supernatural, the truth behind green energy, and how to connect with spirit to live aligned to nature and humanity's true purpose.
Maddy's stories of healing and awakening illuminate the often-overlooked dimensions of our existence, urging us to question the legacy we're crafting, and inviting us to step-up and play a conscious part in the great awakening.
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About Madeleine Doherty
Madeleine Doherty is an Australian researcher, public speaker, and life long student who is passionate in uncovering, learning, and serving the Truth. Madeleine is the Founder of the STE Academy and co-host of the STE Academy conference. Her “Sky to Earth Journey” teaches Astrology and Natural Law Principles from an ancient perspective providing a space for all those who know they are here to remember the objective Truth – the truth that is observable in nature, in our true biology, in the cycles of the planets –and are ready to live aligned to it, and pass it down to the next generation.
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Things that we don't want to see are hidden. Confronting that, I think that that ignites something within people as well, seeing the truth of what our society is built on, and also reveals these deeper parts of who we are. And then the next step is how can I now extend this story to add to the greatest story that's on Earth? That is where I think we'll find deep fulfillment, deep purpose. That's really where I think humanity needs to go. When we have the ability to realize that we are creating every single day, every single minute, the world will change overnight. Science is revealing a lot of what the tribal people have spoken about for thousands of years, to be true, and if you're able to have eyes to see it on multiple levels, it's profound and reveals so much about what we are.
Speaker 2:Welcome back to it's All Wellness. My name is Jermaine Filet and it is my mission to help you unravel the limiting conditioning that keeps you in this pattern of self-doubt, self-sabotage and self-loat. Each week, I'll bring you a person or a message to keep you curious about the power of the human mind and inspire to take action in a life that feels more aligned, ultimately helping you reclaim your life, your health and your happiness. It's all wellness. Today's conversation is a juicy, deep dive into all that is the human experience.
Speaker 2:Our guest, madeline Doherty, is an Australian researcher, public speaker and a lifelong student who is passionate about helping humanity remember the truth. At 13, madeline was quick to uncover a web of conspiracies. As the internet became more accessible, madeline naturally became very inquisitive about everything in mystical, magical and conspiratorial, and she now shares the objective truth that is observable in nature, in our true biology and in cycles of the planet. This conversation truly is a deep dive into the occult, to uncover multi-dimensional layers to this human experience and how we can use natural law to come back to our true purpose. I cannot wait for you to meet Maddie.
Speaker 1:Let's dive in Maddie welcome to the show, thank you. Thanks for having me Very excited to have a chat.
Speaker 2:I am so excited Doing a bit of background research on who you are. There is just so much that you have spoken to over the years in terms of what people could consider conspiracy, a lot of the supernatural. There's a lot of connection back to natural law and astrology and all of these different elements of life, some that people haven't even led into their space yet, but all which excites me incredibly. So I don't know where this conversation is going to take us today, but I am excited to have you in my presence and to be having this chat. You know there is a lot of the information that you share that's censored online, so it was kind of hard to get a full grasp of what it is that you speak to. So I would love to start this conversation today with a bit of your backstory, because I think there are just some early age themes and insights that are unique to you and I guess your insight and intuition that would really probably shape today's conversation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, awesome. There's so many different things I could share, but I will share. I was born in a country of Victoria, so my parents both grew up in the country and so they are very down to earth, grounded human beings, and my dad's a builder. My mum was a nurse and even though she was a nurse and then actually went on to be a vaccination nurse, she actually raised us with naturopathy and homeopathy and we went to this incredible woman. When we're in Canberra, irina Hesterman, I'm going to do a shout out to her because she's incredible. So if anyone's in Canberra, she's still practicing. She's an incredible woman.
Speaker 1:But she taught me so much and she was there on the side as our. We never had a family doctor. So even though mum's a nurse and dad's pretty, you know, straight down the line with stuff, we had this sort of different way of going about things. And then my nana was another huge influence. We've got a really special connection. I love my nana so much and she was the one that kind of opened me up to looking at the world beyond what we see physically in front of us, and so she'd speak about fairies in the garden and she'd ignite this imagination and creativity within me. She's very artistic and all the rest of it, but very Catholic. So then there was that side of things. So I've kind of grown up in this environment where I've been around country farmers and very religious people, the medical world, but then like the kind of alternative homeopathy, naturopathy world, and then even Irina would do energy work and she taught me how to use a pendulum when I was in primary school. So it's kind of like this vast array of things and I'm really seeing myself now, as I move forward with my work, that I am probably going to be in spaces of bridging the gap, because that's where I've really come to now and I can see you probably really work that space as well. Really well is that there's a lot of people that are on the edge and curious about looking at the world in this different way. But sometimes coming into these spaces it's a bit full on because some people go all the way and they're like extreme in the way that they kind of view things and I see sometimes a little bit imbalanced and so, moving forward, I've really seen my upbringing as being able to hold that balance.
Speaker 1:But I got interested in the unseen world probably around 12, 13. My best friend actually saw her uncle as a ghost in her backyard. This is a farming. Yes, I remember some weird stuff going on, but anyway I was fascinated by it. And then it wasn't long after that it probably was around the time of what ignited me to look into it more. So my dad, being a builder, was renovating old Parliament House and he actually saw the ghost of Ben Chifley Now this is an Ozzy Yorker country, bb drinking man, my dad telling me he'd seen the ghost of Ben Chifley. So you can imagine my mind. I mean, this is after I found out I don't know If anyone has kids watching right now just to close their ears Santa Claus wasn't real, easter Bunny wasn't real. So I'd found out all that kind of stuff and I was like, well, what is true? Are these all lies? Like what is it? And I was like what's the actual truth?
Speaker 2:That I know fairies are real.
Speaker 1:Like it was like this home is so funny, so I was kind of in that.
Speaker 1:Then my dad shared this and that was just, I think, because it came from him and I was and you know you respect your parents and I really respect, respected my dad, and to hear him share that it was like my programming or whatever of being in the world kind of just took another crack and so, yeah, went down rabbit holes as researching all that and I think it was through researching Ben Chifley and different conspiracies Back then it was like scrolling through forums. Back then, you know, you go to like the 20th page of Google type thing. You know what I mean. And yeah, I came across what was called the Illuminati and the banking system and you know these large corporations that pretty much maneuver what goes on in society to keep fluctuation of money and control in certain hands.
Speaker 1:And I'm coming into this information as a teenager, so you know all the emotions are going right and I remember having these arguments with my dad being like dad, you need to know this stuff, like you need to protect our family. I can't remember having him like what are you looking into?
Speaker 2:This is like this is crazy and I'll be like you saw, ben Chifley, don't you understand? There's something you know they have these like things like this stuff going on out there.
Speaker 1:Dad, I remember my whole life was just I'd go and research and then I'd come and share with my parents and I'd be like, oh gosh, what have what's made me come up with now? So yeah, one thing led to another and then I think the crossroad for me where it kind of took me to where I am now is with kind of like conspiracy and health. And so I can't remember the age now, but I was competitively swimming and I noticed my teeth started to get yellow and it was to the point where it was like this is weird, I'm getting cleans every six months and I was obviously in a chlorinated pool twice a day. It was like 10, 10 sessions a week was full on drinking more water than the normal person. And that was probably when I started to really connect with that intuitive nudge and consciously follow that intuition. I think before it was a little bit unconscious as a kid, but that was where I really felt there was something poking at me and I just remember going it's something to do with the water. I know that it's something to do with the water.
Speaker 1:And I went to a dentist for my regular clean. I said look, I'm getting yellowing teeth. What could it be? I had a curiosity. I was just a curious kid and he got really funny. He was like well, do you smoke? And I'm thinking I'm like 13 or something. I'm like, no, I don't smoke. I was like, no, do you drink coffee? I'm just thinking you're talking to her like a child, like a child. I was like no, and they go oh well, sometimes the food just reacts with thought it.
Speaker 1:I came up with this thing which I found out later was bollocks.
Speaker 1:Anyway, I just I followed that nudge and I remembered previously doing a bit of research around Erin Brockovich and she was an idol to me.
Speaker 1:I was like what an incredible woman and I don't even know how I came across it. But there was a crossroads where I found some keys where it was like the Illuminati Mind Control and Pineal gland and fluoride and them putting toxic waste into the water which was essentially fluoride, and I just went oh my like I just remember going, I remember the moment actually sitting there going oh my gosh, they're using it to control people and this is what's making my teeth yellow and blah, blah, blah Anyway. So yeah, and then I went down that kind of research path of understanding how fluoride came to be in our water supply and the different corporations that were involved in creating the Dental Institute. And then Edward Bernays and his influence in marketing fluoride to put it into the water supply, the collaboration with Colgate and all the rest of it, and it was mind blowing and on one level I'm like they're making everyone's teeth yellow but on another level.
Speaker 1:I mean fluoride was used to create a docile society. There has actually been a lot of information about them using it and when they came into Australia to keep the tribal people docile, so very interesting stuff. So that kind of led one thing to another. Now, through this, obviously, I'm growing up having boyfriends trying to be normal.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Like trying to sort of like a normal life. So I put a lot of things to the side and so I guess for a long time it was very much in the closet, like I would be tracking my cycle with the moon. I've started studying astrology quite young I think it was like early high school and I just had all these interests. And also I was always quite interested in politics. Funnily enough, there was always that on the side. And so it makes sense that through my time I've come to this space of studying natural law, because really there is a lot of crossovers with natural law and the laws that we see and where debates come into place in parliament, because natural laws do stand. As you know, they correlate with human rights in some respects too. So I can see how my interests have all come together. But yeah, so that was the process.
Speaker 1:And then I ended up going to uni. I actually wanted to study. I was going to become a doctor. Just to be annoying, be that annoying doctor. But then I was like I probably will never get a certificate because they'll be like, what are you going to do? Like, do you think you can cure cancer, do you? Anyway? So I ended up not doing that and I ended up going to nutrition and dietetics. But I was in my anatomy lecture and they were telling me I had to cut up body parts. Anyway, I was like, well, that's not happening. And I walked out and changed it to journalism. I was like, well, if I can't study health, I'm going to write about it.
Speaker 1:So I ended up doing journalism and I really loved investigative journalism sociology and philosophy, loved them. And I met a fellow conspiracy theorist in my investigative journalist lecturer and he really encouraged my questioning and my curiosity and he kind of pushed me down the road of understanding a little bit more about corporations and how they, I guess, can maneuver through things to get things past and how it really works and I guess, this other side of things that the common person doesn't look into, that doesn't research. I just found him so inspiring because he just was so passionate about finding out what was really happening in certain areas and being the voice for the voiceless, and so that was another little little push. But, yeah, one thing's led to another and then I met my now hubby and we moved to the Pilbara 2018.
Speaker 1:And that's when things got wild. I had some really full on interdimensional type experiences there that I had not had to that extent before. We can go into that, but that's when I, also through that process, connected with my now dear friend and mentor, who I'm also speaking to today. He's coming on to the Sky, to Earth Academy tonight. I connected with him and it's actually amazing. Every time I talk to him I'm like surely there's nothing more I can learn.
Speaker 1:Like I've spoken to him so many times and everything blows my mind, and I think also with the other research that I do. But he's helped me so much to understand and put the pieces of the puzzle together. And then, along that being studying astrology and I did health coaching as well for a bit studied integrative nutrition and now I'm here, along with all the other things that happened along the way.
Speaker 2:Oh, this is why I wanted to have you on the show. I love it Going back into that conspiracy theorist world. I think a lot of people are kind of slowly waking up to this conversation and there is that borderline of there's some cognitive dissonance and there's also that level of like. If I let this bit of information in and recognize that I can't necessarily trust the medical system or my government, then what else do I need to question? And that opens a wormhole. That is huge, and I think you mentioned before we got in our call that you really felt called to speak to purpose at the moment.
Speaker 2:And listening to your story now, I genuinely believe there's a reason why this fell into place for you so early is because when we do have these illuminations and awakening, it's like this huge pendulum. It's with anything, with any movement, it's like this massive swing which lasts a while before we find that equilibrium. And so for some people listening to you speak right now, there might be some triggering emotion that's firing up. There might be some people that are really aligned with what you're saying and there's so many people diverse on that spectrum, but I think because the majority of people are only waking up to this information in this new season. Now the pendulum is still in swing, where a lot of their actions following receiving this information is fear-based and still very reactive and still feeding the separation and the divide which is feeding the conflict that we see in the world.
Speaker 2:And so, listening to your story, I do think that there's a reason why you've gone through this introspection and, I guess, turmoil early, so that now you can enter this space where you can speak to it confidently, but from a place of peace as well. Like I touched on before we even dove into this, it's so diverse, on the top, things that you could speak to, but I'm curious as to whether, perhaps, like me, where some one of these people sound similar to you, who's pivoted in career, like, oh, maybe it's personal training, maybe it's nutrition, maybe it's naturopathy, maybe it's the mind now, maybe it's quantum physics, maybe it's astrology, and I'm just always moving in this space. But I think you get to a place where you realize all of it's the same. It's like this overlapping map that stacks and stacks and then you don't need to learn and know all of it because it's all the same underlying information.
Speaker 1:It's so incredible. It's like this amazing weaving, and then you realize why we're here and why Earth is so incredible, because it's literally a space of learning and when we have that curious mind and we ask questions, the world becomes magic and it's actually a really beautiful space to be in, to allow yourself to be a student.
Speaker 2:Well, from where we left off, I'm going to let you guide where we take this. I mean, you mentioned your feeling called to speak into the place of purpose at the moment and I know that you've mentioned this intertwines with what we touched on in natural law. I know that you're also working with a mentor who speaks to connection to spirit, so I would love for you to maybe lead the way and where you feel called to take that conversation.
Speaker 1:I think where it's come to with me is that we all have this unique story and I think my astrology background's really given more focus to that because, for instance, someone's needle chart is like what their spirit has chosen to experience in this life and it's like a script. So when we take our first breath it's like a snapshot of the sky and that kind of reveals a script of our life. So back in tribal times it would be a little bit different. See, they understood on a deeper level this as above, so below understanding of when that baby was born. What type of year was it? Where was the baby born? Was it born near a river system? Was it in the mountains? Was it by the coast? Who was present? Was there an animal that met with the mother before, or did the mother see an animal before that baby was born? Like all of these different things that happened before, during and after the birth all had a meaning and all added to the character and understanding of who that baby was. And I've even heard really beautiful stories of how a song will come forward for either the man or the woman in tribal times and this is not necessarily Australia, but it was essentially a song that would come through and it was sung to the baby throughout pregnancy and then it was sung when the baby came to earth and it was like that was their song. But it also held all these elements and the essence of that baby and the path they were going to live.
Speaker 1:And I think the reason why people are starting to question as well is because I think deeply, people do realize what's missing. I think we get to a point where we might have the relationship and the job and the money and the house and all these different things and we've been busy with ticking the boxes. But sometimes we have that moment where it's kind of like why? Or thinking about what's this deeper purpose for my existence? And sometimes, unfortunately, that doesn't happen until people are on their death bed, and that's the truth of it, like they can spend their whole life busying themselves and having different forms of gratification and going along to the next thing. And it isn't really until they're at those end days that they look back at their life and go well, what was my life? And essentially it's a story and it's not that we have to achieve anything or tick a certain box of any kind, but it's like have you expressed and done everything that you've wanted to. And you know they say a lot of the time that it's not their regrets that people have done. It's what they haven't done that they're looking at when they're in their life and really that is the expression of their spirit, why they came here. And it might not necessarily mean to build a business in a school overseas or whatever. It can be really simple, but it's understanding that story and I think that's where I've come to now and I think there's one level of expressing yourself as a spirit and understanding your purpose.
Speaker 1:And I think the next level where we really find meaning and we start to understand this relationship to each other and the earth, is that, okay, this is my purpose. For me, this is my story and what is my actual role here. Who am I on this earth? What am I here to give back? And I'm really coming to this space where we are all custodians. If we've been born on this earth, we are essentially are a custodian and we have a particular animal and habitat and way of being that we are here to understand and to care for.
Speaker 1:And I've been volunteering at this Brumbie Rescue Place down the road. For me it's just so random, but anyway, it's incredible and it's so much fun, and it's a really interesting thing for me because, having that country background, but then I also have this understanding of and deep love of the tribal culture and tribal law, and sometimes I want to shake both of them and say you guys need to unite, you need to speak, you need to connect, because there's a knowingness of people who have worked on the land for a long time that the tribal people also have, and vice versa. There's things missing, though, with people that have come to the land and managed it in a certain way, and I'm like I want to see that kind of conversation happen between them, because it could be so healing. But it's also the fulfillment I see in people caring for the Brumbies, caring for the land, understanding why they're doing what they're doing, because there's a lot of misinformation at the moment around what we should be doing for the earth, and if you talk to a tribal person, you'll know that what is within natural law is that human beings are a part of earth, we're not separate from it, and we are actually here to manage the earth, to help create balance, and so I recently just read this incredible book about fire and fire management, how they use fire to manage areas, and so this is a perfect example of natural law, actually, because they would manage the fire around certain areas.
Speaker 1:So, for instance, they wouldn't hunt in certain areas that was, say, the song line for the kangaroos because that would be their habitat, where they were to keep safe Right. And so they would burn fires in certain areas and that fire would either bring to life certain foods or it would keep other ones down, and then they would create like a mosaic that allowed this balance of different foods for all of the animals. And when it wasn't managed, when they were actually pushed to stop doing these fire practices, that's when countries started dying, that's when things started to become a little bit imbalanced, so to speak. So that was something that has come forward for me a lot more, and it's this understanding that, yes, we have our purpose, we have our song, and then, beyond that, we also have this purpose to care for country, because, I mean, without the earth we're actually not here. It's actually our home. We do live in these homes with four walls, but we drink her water, we eat her food, we are lapping up her vitamins from her sunlight, so we actually need her to survive, and I think that's really where my heart is now is like reminding people of that, and it's not even woo-woo, it makes sense. It just makes sense that we are stepping more into that space away from them, because this is what happens and this is where the elites in Illuminati and all that kind of stuff come in is that they can take hold of these certain grassroots movements and ideas and, I guess, awareness of humanity.
Speaker 1:Humanity is starting to become more conscious. They are more aware and more caring and wanting to care for the earth, but it's kind of like that's being grabbed and maneuvered in a way where corporations can have control over it and start to make money, as opposed to that actually allowing humans to be guided by their heart. It's like being guided by greed again, and so on and so forth, right? So, yeah, I think that's something. That is something that's really coming up for me is people finding who they are through their own journey, because a lot of the time it's through healing, whether it's mental health or physical health or relationships. You find your story and your purpose through that, and then the next step is how can I now extend this story to add to the greatest story that's on earth, to actually heal and to bring balance. And that is where I think we'll find deep fulfillment, deep purpose. That's really where I think humanity needs to go, without being pushed in that direction by different corporations and different businesses that want to see whatever it is take place.
Speaker 1:Because even with the brumbies, like they say, the brumbies are an issue, but really there are a minority of the non-native animals out there. It's not like they're going after the deers and the kangaroos and things that they're on to the brumbies and there's books about it how when they pushed the cuttlemens off these, like the high country in different areas that they were in, everything became out of balanced and it actually created this kind of wilderness that ended up dying off. I mean, even in this book I spoke about before they say in 1788, there was actually less trees than there are now. So they spoke about how they would actually manage the tree growth so that the larger trees could have as much fresh water as they needed and it wasn't all pulled out of the ground by these younger trees. Because what can happen is if you just let it all go, it can pull all the fresh water and say it just left with salt and then suddenly all of those trees are dead.
Speaker 1:So there was an understanding which was based off law, and so when I talked to my mentor, he says we didn't discover this, this was given to us, this is a law that was given to us and our role here is to care for country. That's our purpose as human beings. There's no other purpose. And unless we care for country actually can't express what our spirit wants to express. True freedom is being able to express, and I don't just mean speak, but do and play and act and create without restriction, obviously aligned with what's right. We can't do that unless the earth is here. If the earth is sick, we're sick and we then can't express who we are and we can't express as a community, see our true potential and see the potential of humanity unless country's okay.
Speaker 1:I think this is actually another part of it that was brought home to me. I actually worked on a mine site for six months when I was in the Pilbara, and that was probably one of those moments where I realized what it took to actually be where we are today and I actually cried my first time on a mine site. But I'm so humbled by that experience and I have actually found that a lot of people that have been in mining are more aware of tribal law, tribal culture, tribal understanding and the impact on the earth, more so than people have never seen mining before, because it's kind of like we live in a violent society, but violence is hidden. You know, death is hidden, things that we don't want to see are hidden, especially in the cities, and confronting that, I think that that ignites something within people as well, seeing the truth of what our society is built on and also reveals these deeper parts of who we are, when we see what our life and what we're doing actually how it impacts things around us.
Speaker 2:So yeah, Mads, there is just so much to that. I felt so connected to every little topic that you tied into that. It was funny. Before you even mentioned the fire burning, I was thinking in my mind like the rules and regulations around burning off and I had this vivid image in my mind of years ago when I lived in Margaret River and all of Prevely burnt and the regeneration and the green Like it was just charcoal and all this beautiful green vegetation coming back and then all of a sudden you started talking about burning off.
Speaker 2:And one thing that I do see and I think this is why you're so powerful to speak in this area is that you do understand the hierarchy that's pushing a lot of the movements that we're seeing. But in terms of this push for the world going green again, it's to feed a capitalist society, right, Like my partner actually works in the wind industry, on the wind turbines. But a conversation I had with him the other day is that we're now moving towards solar energy and all these solar farms that are going up and it's changing. It's causing this temperature pattern change You've got 70 degrees up here and 40 degrees down here at ground level and it's causing all these weather troughs, and then when we look at the movement pattern of the wind turbines, and so even in itself, this push to go into this green energy space, it's still causing disruption to the natural rhythms and patterns of the earth.
Speaker 1:It lets off an EMF, but also, how is it powered?
Speaker 2:How is?
Speaker 1:it made Steel from iron ore. We're just adding another product yeah, what I mean. And they've got these big plans to roll out. It's the same here there's a wind farm that they're planning to do because I live quite rural, they're planning to do and they've just run power lines, which is a lot of steel and a lot of iron ore and a lot of digging that they've just done and blowing off of the earth to get that right To run the power lines from the wind farms to the power site.
Speaker 1:I don't even know what's called, whatever it's called run by coal. And I think this is where, like you say, that kind of my understanding of things comes in, because I've seen so many different industries. I used, to date, a truck driver, so I've seen the worst of agriculture, right, I've seen the abattoirs it's pretty scary shit. I've been in property development, I've worked on a mine. I've seen the farming, I've seen the spraying. You know, I've seen a lot of this kind of stuff that I think a lot of people are sheltered to. And yet there is this pool within our heart that we know that we want to do better, we know we want to care more from the earth. So if you don't really know what's right for the earth, if you haven't been on country, if you don't actually know what the laws are and L? O R E law, then of course you're going to take this green energy thing and run with it, because it's like we do know we want to do better. We do know that we need to actually start making changes. It's easy picking for the people in the cities that just do not see what's really going on and what's behind it. So the wind farms sound good, solar panels sound good, but where are these minerals coming from? They're still being mined. It's just more products. The progress is going forward with more accumulation and more external creation as opposed to this internal creation, this internal journey.
Speaker 1:You know it's like we're continuing going down that path and on one level you could say we are meant to, and I think we are, because for me, I've learnt so much about our true biology through my journey with non-native EMS and 5G and all that kind of thing. I've learnt so much diving into terrain theory and understanding all of that kind of stuff from another level as well, looking at it from even the emotional and spiritual level. So I think there's a level of we are meant to be in this space. I mean, we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't for that. I think there is definitely a level that, if we're looking at it from an eagle eye, that we are meant to be in this space. But I think it's really to come back to who we are and the truth and our purpose, and I think that there will be an unwinding and rebalancing. But we've lost it and I think this is all meant to be.
Speaker 1:You know, it's like a lot of the Christian people say it's a time of the time of revelation and coming up to judgment time, and you can look at that on many levels. I've studied the Bible. It's the greatest book if you want to learn astrophiology. You know there's so much in it. But we are coming up to that time now, and now I think it's really come into that point of making choices with clear eyes. Because at the moment I think there's a lot of smoke screens and there's a lot of look over here but don't look over there, and great marketing. I mean just getting better.
Speaker 1:I studied marketing. There's a lot of psychology behind it, oh yeah. So it's like, yeah, I think, when you see it from that perspective. I mean, even I've worked closely with local council when I was in property development and I've seen these deals and these conversations that take place and there's corruption on the lowest levels of parliament, like low, low levels, small country towns. There's deals taking place, there's conversations being had behind closed doors that the public aren't privy to, and to say that it doesn't happen higher up is naivety. I think at this point you've got to have your head up your own. So it's big to not see that this is really happening and a lot of these meetings that they have. They're different summits and things. This isn't for the earth, this isn't for the people. This is on one level, that's for more money and control. On another level, it is anti-earth and anti-human. There is a force beyond this that is deeply jealous of creation. So it's yeah, I mean it's a big topic.
Speaker 2:It really is and you know it's interesting. Even at the start of COVID, myself and my partners saw the whole gameplay because it's all available. If you're willing to do the work, it's all available. I mean, you just need to go through the World Economic Forum website and they literally stay ahead of time what they're about to do and so, like you say, it is naivety.
Speaker 2:And I guess we've done this in so many levels of our life. I mean, we've always been told to trust the government, you've always been told to trust your doctor and even though, as a natural path, I saw this even though your body is intuitively saying this isn't right, I'm getting symptoms, it's causing more troubles, it's causing this, but people disconnect from that because their doctor said to, and I've seen so much medical negligence in that space because we've been so conditioned to take it as gospel. We even saw it with the food pyramid once that changed. And again, that's feeding big ag, it's feeding big pharma and we've now got to learn to. I guess this is where I am in my season of life is educating this personal responsibility in every level, Like there is no such thing as truth. It's coming back to seeking our truth and again tying back to what you were speaking to earlier in terms of storytelling and our own unique path.
Speaker 2:This I don't know. I think it is universal. I seem to find when I'm owning it on a topic, it seems to be like a universal topic that keeps coming up. But it's totally a space where I'm in too, where it's recognizing the power of story and people are so quick to think that purpose is this big grand gesture that they have to do with their life or it's their career or it's this big noble thing.
Speaker 2:But purpose truly is your life experience and we get given these challenges, we get given these illnesses, like you said, we get given this ease so that we can pop out the other end with these lessons and learnings and this voice and truth to the experience that is so unique for us. When we can be authentic in that space, then it gives other people permission to feel and to heal and I agree with you in that understanding. Our purpose is truly to disconnect from all that outside noise because there is natural principles that are guiding us. We've just been so disconnected and, you know, it depends how far you want to take it, whether it's intentionally disconnected and boxing us from other corporations, and then also our own naivety to remain sheltered to that information.
Speaker 1:That's there as well, yeah, because we've created this world, we've got to take ownership for it. I was just thinking then about health. Being a naturopath, I would find that really difficult, and I was just having a. I was just having a think just back when you said about the doctor. Imagine you going into a doctor's clinic or whatever and presenting your symptoms and the doctor goes well, your spiritual journey is bigger. So you're now to go on the greatest adventure. That is, your hero's journey. So what's your trot and and and the Latte? Like I believe in you imagine it would be, but that's what it is, though. Right, I mean that would be so funny in a doctor's clinic, but I would find it hard being a naturopath, and I can understand why you've kind of moved a little bit more into podcasts and having conversations, because I've found it as well doing health coaching.
Speaker 1:People want this like one thing that's going to help them, or they want this tick box thing or this modality, and it's like this is your story. You're about to start writing your story, like your spirit is saying hey, I'm ready, like I'm ready, let's go. Here's the keys, follow them Right, right, pick up the pen, and you know it's like no, I just want to take this herb or I want to take this pill, which I'm all about, don't get me wrong. I'm all about the herbs, I'm all about natural medicines. I love them. But really at the core of these journeys is picking up the pen to start writing our story. And when we have the ability to do that and realize that we are creating every single day, every single minute, and everyone comes to that point, the world will change overnight.
Speaker 1:I think, even when it comes to little things, like little issues that we see so often, I get people coming to me with oh, this is happening and this is happening and oh gosh, and I just think this is your opportunity. Like, where is your block here? If there's a block there for you, that's actually something that's showing you that there's something more for you to see. There's a lesson there. But it's not so much accepting this as humanity's fate. It's going do I want this? Like the earth and the universe, whatever you want to call it spirit is saying do you want this in your world? Do you want this to be part of your reality, yes or no? And a lot of people just accept things as their fate, whether it's health or a difficult situation or whatever it might be, but it's actually an opportunity. Everything's an offer. You do want to accept that offer or do you want to actually create something different? And we forget there's always another choice. We think, we only think there's a red and blue, but there's actually another choice altogether.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. This is exactly why I closed doors on my business as a naturopath. I closed doors here as well, because I'm seeing the modality in this modern world become green allopathy. It's still feeling, this nature of there's something outside of me that's going to fix me, and there's so many elements to that. I also had to step aside because I could see what was happening with the trying to standardize and regulate the industry and what that is going to mean. And obviously now, not being in that space where I am bound by guidelines and associations, I can speak freely about what is integrity for me and what I believe in. And it is coming back to our truth, because I see so many people that want to do right in the world but they're stuck by these confines. We saw it with the COVID environment, with what we can speak to and what gets censored. But let's revert back. Let's go right back to this natural law. I would love for you to share with our audience if this is a new concept for them. What is law that we're speaking to here?
Speaker 1:So Mark Pascio has actually laid out. So if people want to look up Mark Pascio, he's done an incredible eight hour presentation on natural law principles. So the way I teach it is based off those principles and I weave in astrology through that. Now I won't say those are the principles and that's it, because this has actually been woven through philosophical debates and different understandings, cultures and religions since ancient times, right, and so there's been a lot of debate around what natural law is, and even in the last hundred years there's been these conversations that have taken place around what is law and what is natural law, especially when it comes to moving into things like common law and the constitution and so on and so forth and how they kind of come up against man's law and things like that. So there's many layers of it.
Speaker 1:For me, on the fundamental level, law is actually within us. So it's something that is observable in nature, but it's also kind of like this inner moral universe that we have within us. And so when something happens for instance something in front of us happens that we know that it is wrong, or we see something take place, it's not so much it's like an unwritten law, but at the same time it is written, it's written within the sky and the earth. But the way I see it because I think sometimes it can be over complicated or made to seem like it's this massive thing, but really all it is is understanding that we are interconnected, we are all interdependent and there is this kind of governing force that reveals the structure of the universe. And even Michael Tazarian, who I learn a lot from as well, he talks about this being a moral universe as well, and so the way I teach it is I use the principles of Mark Passier and I work through those and show people how you can view it in astrology and you can view it through understanding different esoteric concepts and things like that.
Speaker 1:A good example is the law of correspondence. The law of correspondence people love this one because there's a big, I guess, when it comes to communicating and understanding your spirit and your intuition is understanding signs, understanding what's happening around you and trying to see the deeper meaning within that. So the law of correspondence say, for instance, if you're walking down the street and you see a bird flies past, if you understand the corresponding essence of that bird to say, for instance, an emotion or a planet, because obviously the planets have different archetypes, or whether it's a different element. If you can read that in a certain way and say, for instance, you have in your heart a question like, should I move or is this the right career for me, or whatever it might be, taking a step back and viewing the world through that understanding of the law of correspondence reveals these other messages that are being revealed to you. There's a corresponding layer all the time. You can use your imagination to understand that as almost like a metaphor for different areas and experiences that you're having in your life. So a good example is when you're weeding the garden.
Speaker 1:A lot of people talk about weeding the garden, weeding the mind. That's really revealing the law of correspondence. I've come to this place where simple tasks have so much meaning now to me and I really I'm with it, I'm present with it. So things like washing the dishes or washing the toilet bowl or whatever it might be, and how even the toilet bowl is, we're on rainwater, right. I'd just been at my sister's hands and ate not the best things, right and I came back to our toilet bowl being grubby as, and I was like, well, there's a, there's a law of correspondence, because that's my bow at the moment and so cleaning that, I'm like maybe I should do a colon cleanse.
Speaker 2:You know what I?
Speaker 1:mean Like this this is different and I guess when you move through the world looking at just using that law, it gives you more insight into things and it can help you to see things in a deeper level as well, because then you start to see things from a multi dimensional lens. So I use that one a lot because the law of correspondence really weaves in a lot with astrology, because planets have rulerships over certain animals and colours and times of day and all of that kind of thing. So you can go really deep with it. Like you can literally sit out in the bush for like 10 minutes and have a astrology reading by just observing what's around you, if you understand that law and how it corresponds. But then on another level, you've got that within you too.
Speaker 1:So do you want to mean because people can feel, say, for instance, if a crow comes and sits beside you, crows are ruled by satans. So they're quite like. I guess they're very different to cookaburra, so to speak. They quite staunch and they know where their position is and they won't let anyone get in their way and if they want to get something they'll go after it or whatever it might be. So standing next to one, it's like you're in a space of refinement of your energy and starting to become clear on your goals. And whatever it might be. If you've got a crow attacking you, it could be a whole range of different things, but the crow is really also the elder or the older person. So you could be doing something that's maybe a little bit childish or you're probably going through life in a way that's a bit messy and you need to start cleaning up your act. You're like do it to me, I'm just playing with stuff here, but that's what. That's one of the things, and for me, when I teach natural law, it's probably different to other people. A lot of people do it around property rights and things like freedom, especially when it came to you know what and the mask wearing and all that kind of stuff. They were using natural law more in that sense.
Speaker 1:For me, I'm very interested in psychology and mental health and understanding who you are as a person and being able to maneuver through the world in a certain way. So the way I teach it is obviously different to other people that I weave in Dreamtime stories and things like that, because understanding natural law, you can break apart dreamtime stories. They're very simple and childlike, but they are so complex and so multi layered, like you could write a whole novel just unpacking one dreamtime story. They're so significant and so multi layered and they also have different understandings of even into relationships of elements and plants, because plants have obviously have a relationship with different things and there's so many layers to it.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, I'm kind of in that process and I will say as well, I'm still a student. I'm really in this space where I'm like this is right and this is the thing, and whatever it might be. But I do know, because I've seen it on so many different levels, that there is this kind of golden truth through it all and the ancients have taught this law in different ways, very much in the way of how to manage land and how to manage relationships and kin system, marriage laws and stuff like that. Like that's all based off natural law to create balance, and that's really the key, that's really the point of it. Natural law is to keep balance.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it's so interesting. I mean well before I knew about natural law. I remember years ago when I was in college this is what I was speaking to earlier where I could see the overlaying patterns of everything Can I started to, for some reason, sibo in gut health small intestinal bacterial overgrowth started coming up a lot with my patients and a lot of the testing is the methane production and, interestingly enough, this was around the time where all of these casperacy and all these documentaries were coming up on Netflix about the methane production of cows and how it's destroying the ozone layer and all of this different stuff. And I remember thinking like I was saying to my partner I was like what's happening with our microbiome is reflected in the earth and the world around us. We can see these patterns and that was just something I didn't know about the natural law then and and I don't know if this is quite the right day, but I was my partner's mom who teaches energy medicine and different life cycles and that kind of thing, and I did one of her containers last year and she was tying in the different archetypes and the planets and astrology and she was talking about the day of the week that you're born and then the life theme. That'll be your lessons and the life themes. And it was interesting you might know this and because I'm trying to read jog my memory but pretty short was Friday. It was associated with love and self acceptance and that was the life theme.
Speaker 2:And I was talking with my girlfriends and when we speak we talk on the phone for a couple of hours and I heard in that conversation that her theme was always about relationship, relationship breakdown and her own level of self love. And I said to her are you born on a Friday? And she said yeah, I am actually. And I was like how interesting. I just learned that that's going to be your life theme. And through that conversation I myself, being born on the Wednesday, I have a feeling that related to what message I'm bringing forward in my career. And the year prior to that I actually did my natal chart and also my business birth chart and it's all throughout my natal chart about my career in that space. So I just I just hobby in it, but I love it, it's so fascinating, yeah well, wednesday's ruled by Mercury and Mercury is the communicator and messenger, so yeah, so can we tie this back into?
Speaker 2:I know you've spent some time living in the Pilbara and I know a lot of your mentors are elders as well, so I'd love if you can speak to us about the natural laws from from that perspective as well and how that ties in.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So it's a lot about relationships, so relationship to the earth, relationship to other things, relationship to the land, even just walking on country. It's understanding the space spaces that you can go in and the spaces that are sacred and the spaces that are men sites and women sites. And it's really, as a woman, my relationship to the men site, my relationship to the woman site, my relationship to that pathway, my relationship to that songline, and it governs how you move through that area, the thing that I really latched on to and it has changed a little bit, but because of my experiences in the Pilbara, which were have you seen the movie paranormal activity? Oh God, is it old, is it really old? I think it's paranormal activity where they get pulled out of bed and things like that. Yeah, my life for like eight months, wow, yeah.
Speaker 1:And my mom always said I sort of had this way about me, like apparently I used to tell her how people were feeling and what they were thinking and all this kind of stuff, and I had pretty full on dreams, like I remember my dreams to be very vivid as a kid when I was lucid, dreaming almost every night when I was in primary school, but it was usually like because lucid dreaming is being conscious in your dream. Back then it was like, what can I play with? Because it was my ability to create in that space. So I hadn't really had anything as full on as what I had had in the Pilbara. I had experiences of like, I guess, figures or beings holding me down around my neck. I had my arms pulled. There was one time where I was literally pulled out of bed. I was literally like awake. I don't know whether you've heard of sleep paralysis and things like that.
Speaker 1:I had a lot of that Even in my waking time, though. I was in the kitchen one time and was shoved in the back by nothing I woke up to. What I later found out was called for tribal people, a demon dog. So this disgusting furry monster thing on my bed. It smelled putrid, was growling, and yeah. So this went on for eight months, but it did get to the point where I remember one time just crying in the bathtub, being like I can't do this anymore, like I couldn't go to sleep without something waking me up.
Speaker 1:But I will say that through that and this is where I kind of go to and from we do create our own reality, and when it comes to this stuff in the unseen, there is an element of what we're creating as well. So I was going through a process, actually, of healing PCOS, so I was pretty hardcore with it when I found out the diagnosis, and this was pretty much at the start of me moving to the Pilbara, and I really think, on one level, that kind of my spirit led me there, because we were looking at maybe staying in Wagga at the time, because I had a job and a place there and had my horses. I was all set up, but there was this part of me that was like I'd just been offered operations manager in the profit development and it was a role I'd been working towards and it was. You know, it was really I was kind of progressing in that space. But there was this part in my heart that was like there's something more, maddie, there's something more. It was like the call to adventure, you know, when Nio picks up the phone. You know it was like I had to pick up the phone, like I couldn't not. So that kind of like led us to different places. But yeah, it was around the time at the start of me going there that I had the pain which was from assist. So I went from drinking almost every night. I mean, you know, I was like your classic corporate woman. I was working incredible hours, having a wine after knockoff, drinking on the weekend, smashing myself at the gym. I will add, had closet tarot going on at the time as well, but that was very, you know, hush, hush and usually when I'd had a few wines maybe I'd bring it out, but I was very dry, very go and all of that.
Speaker 1:And when I got that diagnosis, it's like I cut every habit, every thought, form, every, everything that was blocking me from connecting with my heart and my body and what essentially what my body was needing. One of those things actually was rising to the sun, watching the sunrise and watching the sunset. That was another intuitive nudge and hadn't actually done any research around circadian principles. Dr Cruz speaks about it a lot and it's a big part of PCOS and the production with the blue light. Yeah, incredible, but I didn't know that at the time. I only came to that information later. But that was a big thing. That spirit said, like over anything else, organic eating, all the right. It was like the sunlight was a big thing. It was so funny. I remember once the sun went out I was walking around with candles, like I went hardcore. Luckily Ash is all about sleep, so my husband, so he was like all about it. So that was good. But I went pretty hard with that.
Speaker 1:But when I went through that process of cutting out all these habits, what I feel like is these thought forms that had really become conscious beings in themselves and was feeding off me and you could look at another level as parasites within my body, because essentially a lot of us are parasite toxic. If we are living toxic lives. It's like by me suddenly going through sheer determinism. I am no longer living like that, I'm no longer thinking like that. I am now creating a new way for myself, because this is big. I want to have babies one day. I can't keep doing this to my body. I've got to make a change.
Speaker 1:It was through that. It's like I was then battling the demons within, even though a lot of the things that I was sharing, when I eventually shared what they were, tribal people knew what all these beings were. There's so many levels to it. That's where the law of correspondence comes in handy, because, you understand, there is this kind of holistic thing going on. But it was really like I just cut the food source of all of these different ways of being and they were trying to get me back in because it stuffed up my sleep and really brought me to a breaking point.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, through that process I went into a lot of different modalities. I'd already been doing energy healing because my nana actually taught me how to move energy. So I'd been doing that for a long time, since I was about 13, 14. And it wasn't until early 20s I started to realise that different objects and things within the field were metaphors for patterns and beliefs and things like that, and that there could be beings and spirits that are also dictating the person. And you can look at that in a whole range of things. I mean you can come at it from a perspective of materialism, because these thought forms, you know, I mean you can look at them as parasites. You can also just understand that we do lock in these ways of being into our central nervous system that keep us in patterns and loops, right. So there's so many ways you can look at it. But essentially I started to understand where we lock things in those kind of prime times, from conception to age seven. I started to see, yeah, like patterns of that in my life.
Speaker 1:And so, alongside all of this dealing with interdimensional beings at night, clearing my diet, no longer drinking coffee or cut out all meat, eggs, dairy, everything went totally organic and all the rest of it was also doing the spirit healing. But yeah, it got to a point where I was like I need assistance. So I actually reached out to two healers and I thanked them for what they did, but they didn't help, unfortunately, and so I then put a post up on Karath by Swap and Cell and I said are there any? I was desperate. I was like, are there any traditional healers that I can connect with? I need help. And Clint Walker, who's my dear friend and mentor, he said, yeah, give me a call. And I called him and I remember that call so well. I pretty much just cried on the phone the entire time as I shared my experience and he labelled every single being that I'd had contact with and where they came from and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1:Alongside that journey that I was going on, there was things like I'd taken rocks where I shouldn't have taken rocks, I'd been in areas that I shouldn't have been, I'd climbed different things that I shouldn't have climbed and I'd collected things along the way, so to speak. I think, although there was that happening, I think for me to attract those experiences it was also because of what I was going through personally as well. So it's like again that kind of law of correspondence that I was even in that situation, but essentially through his guidance I was able to stop all of that happening through how he helped me clear them out, and then I kind of continued on the journey and that kind of brought me to this new way of looking at things.
Speaker 1:I've never gone down the route of Reiki or any of those kind of like other cultures, for whatever reason, I don't know, because even Ayurvedic medicine aligns so well with medical astrology and I studied a bit of that, but I never really got far into it. I was always really drawn to Australian culture. My cousins are Indigenous and so I guess I've always had that connection and kinship with the culture. So I'd read a few books, but it just opened the doorways and then it just filled in the gaps with all these other questions I'd had Regarding so many different things and even just the way we live. And, yeah, one thing led to another and ended up starting the ST Academy, which was really ignited by everything that I'd learnt and my passion for it. I'm wanting to have more of these conversations. That's what I'm doing now.
Speaker 2:For listeners, who, if this, the entities and everything, if this is relatively new or completely new for listeners, if you really just want to get like a mainstream grasp of this. Air's Rock Post Office actually has a huge collection display of rocks that have been returned of people who have gone there as a tourist and collected a little sample and taken their little special treasured rock home. And the Post Office would get a phone call saying ever since I've left that place, I've had all of these horrific things happen in my life and I don't know what's going on. Has something happened? And they will all say if you've taken from the land that same thing. And so there are.
Speaker 2:This is where it's so important to keep an open mind, because when we start to let go of the conditioning and the truth quote unquote truths that we've been told that we live and run our lives by, when we let go of that, a lot of the inner conflict disappears and, like you mentioned earlier and this is my partner questions me on this a lot as well as there's this inner knowing. Like I will sometimes say to him this is going to happen at this time, or I know that this isn't going to happen with your company and he will say to me what makes you think that? Why do you believe that? It's not a belief and I don't think that it's a knowing. I feel it in my body and, to the date, the exact thing that I will say will happen. And he's just like you. Just never cease to blow my mind with how you know this and I think, when you can just disconnect from all the clutter out there and come inward while being guided in every sense.
Speaker 2:So, going back to the top of the episode where I mentioned, it was my girlfriend, who actually did your course, who introduced you into my world and she had been studying ITA and energy medicine and understanding the chakras, and she kind of rang me almost lost because she said everything that I've learned in this course feels like truth to my core. But also it now makes me question if I believe in the chakra systems, which has been my truth up until this point, and I guess what I came back to her is that there is no such thing as truth. The Bible has so much truth to it. There are so many stories and philosophical plays that we're now seeing materialized in this present day world, and this is what we're saying about purpose when we can be guided by our own personal truth.
Speaker 2:It's not fixed. It's our unique truth and it's our unique truth for the purpose of storytelling and illuminating an open mindset to the possibility of what its human experience is. But it's not fixed and there's a reason why some people have intuitively downloaded the essence of meridians and chakras and this healing, and it has helped and healed a lot of people. And there is also a reason why other people can channel and connect to intuitive wisdom relating to the land and or astrology. And none of it's wrong. It's just if we think back to the very earliest civilizations to date that we know of, how did they understand the world before we had the stuff that we have and rely on these days? It was through the stars, it was through the animals, it was through the land, it was through connection to self and spirit. And I know I mean Catholicism is a part of your life, but my one thing that I've really gravitated towards is concepts that come from the law of one. I don't know, have you heard of the law of one?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so I had no religious underpinning in my upbringing. But once I had understood the channelings from Ra and what was unfolded with the law of one principles, it deeply resonated with me and it really shaped my understanding of the world and God and spirit and energy and the different densities and dimensions I think we have to recognize, like this third dimension material world that we have created in a crafting, it's purely energy and it's simplest form and the more we focus on it, the more it materializes. And I think, coming back to self, coming back to the guiding and the intuition, it's all there for us and I think your story just speaks so beautifully to that.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, I've started learning as well from another Indigenous man named Steve Richards, and he says whatever you say to spirit, spirit will say OK, yes. So it's like, whatever your belief is or whatever your assumption is or whatever your perception is, spirit will say yes. And so it's coming from this understanding of we do create and we do create our reality and what we perceive in the world as well. And it does come back to this spark, this force. And I was thinking as well when you were speaking about your husband. You know I was talking to someone that was kind of trying to grasp this understanding of beings and things in the unseen. And I always come back to nature and I'm like, for me, the way to really understand it and also not understand it and never understand it, is looking at a seed and understanding that that seed has turned into a tree, this marvelous tree.
Speaker 1:You know it's like science sort of like breaks it down. But there's also this element of how does that happen? Even just the fact that these two blending of DNA, is these cells coming together and creating you and I with our own thoughts and consciousness and personality Like it's mind blowing when you really think about it. It's like these little seeds have literally grown into trees and people and beings and it's like, I think, when you look at that, it's like you can understand it, but you can't understand it. It's like there is something else at play.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was reading a book recently from Saad Guru and he was talking about karma, but he a comment that he said in his book was that we're in a world where we're chasing knowledge and it's like everything is intelligence. We have to go back to the intelligence. It's not learning, it's not knowledge. That's a part of this journey, but everything is guarded by intelligence and whether you believe in God, in God form, in Jesus form or in source energy or whatever that entity is, for you it's intelligence. And there are things that we can't explain. And this is where, again, looking at the overlapping patterns, it's blending the metaphysical and the physical. It's like where quantum physics meets another element of science. We can understand to a level, but we also have to trust that we don't need to know this stuff. It's being guarded.
Speaker 1:Just surrendering, yeah, because we already know it we know it, it is us.
Speaker 2:We are the intelligence and the water that I'm drinking, the intelligence within those molecules that is entering my body, has ran through streams and rivers that have touched with other civilizations and communities and populations and animals, and so all of that water's journey and the intelligence and the contact that it's had is now within me Same with the food that I eat, and we need to understand that sometimes the silence and surrender is where the true essence of life just comes through.
Speaker 1:Big time, big time. It's the breath. When you take that breath, you take that breath and you find that centre 100%. And I love that you just use that analogy with water, because you know that I was saying before how, like this, new technology and all of that has led me down this trail of understanding our biology in a different way and I've done a lot of research put out by Dr Tom Cowan and also Josh Lamerro, who we have on SkytoEarth Academy, and understanding the terrain theory and really that it's this whole other way of looking at the body and it's really seeing the body as an ecosystem and literally how you know your garden works and your compost works.
Speaker 1:It's like the same principles in your body and understanding that there's more to it but also there's so much, there's so much understanding that we can have of water that we can also apply to our body. Our body is, they say, more water than what you know. Science is saying that we are almost like 100% water and we have different phases of water that create organs and cells and different things like that, and so if you understand that, what you just shared, then it's like every interaction we have, every food that we eat, every person that we meet, we're actually receiving all of this information without even having to read a book. I mean, have you heard of those people how they've just put, like, their hand on a book and they can? They suddenly know what's in it and all of this kind of stuff?
Speaker 1:I think it comes back, on one level, to water. And if you look at water on another level, like, that is life force, that is spirit. So yeah, it's so true, it is literally within us. I see the cycle of spirit, which the tribal people talk about too, is the same as the cycle of water, how there's new water, there's this new phase water and it goes through the cycle and it becomes mature water. And it's after that process that it's had interactions with all of these other different elements to come to that space where it's called mature water and that's the best water to drink because it's the most nutrient, dense, and it's gone through that whole process. I think spirits take the same journey through life and maybe many lives.
Speaker 2:It's interesting. I was listening to a Ted talk the other day and he was talking about well before every living species that we know, like what they've found right through archaeology, is the start of any air breathing life force started from a particular bacteria, which was the only form of life form that you could consider to be a life form on the planet, before plants or anything. And it was the breathing process of that one bacteria that only had a life cycle of, I think, 12 days or something like that, that actually the carbon and oxygen exchange through that is what actually started to change the atmospheric oxygen levels and make Earth a habitable planet for humans to live on, and that in itself. He somehow drew that back to the formation of star clusters and planets, and it was only new to me, so it's not something that I can actually recall specifically through memory, but I, just as soon as I heard it just, and drawing back to purpose, he said when we start to question what our purpose is, do you think this archaic microbe that has a 12 day lifespan knew that it would be the pinnacle of human creation, of life, of Earth in itself? It was just literally existing and through its existence Earth became what it is today and it is so profound and it makes you really realize that just being like this is a huge element of this season of life.
Speaker 2:For me is redefining well being, but it's like just being being authentic, being within ourselves, being in integrity, being congruent with our belief systems and what's calling us. That in itself, like you mentioned earlier, when we can all align to this, the world can change overnight. When we start to recognize the power of the mind and the power of energy and connecting to spirit in our healing, when we start to realize that we are the medicine, then we start to break down these corporations that have been profiting off the sick and profiting off agriculture and the food industry and we can come back to this natural way of living.
Speaker 1:I think incredible as well with that story, because it's the breath and breath is spirit. So it's really showing spirit really again applying the law of correspondence. It always comes back to this breath and this duality right of breathing in and breathing out was really that duality of spirit which the Gnostics speak about? That that you know it was like one, and then the duality and that was where creation really came from. And then you actually see it within evolutionary science like that's incredible, mind blowing to me to be, I think that's also how we speak to these people that are coming to understand.
Speaker 1:This information is like science is revealing a lot of what the tribal people have spoken about for thousands of years. To be true, it's just explaining it in a different way and if you're able to have eyes to see it on multiple levels, it's profound. I think someone just learning that you know not necessarily people listening to this podcast, so they obviously understand it on one level, but it's the average Joe might go that's interesting, but when you really see how profound it is with the eyes to see, it's mind blowing information and reveal so much about what we are, it's incredible. Thanks for sharing that. That's really good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought you'd appreciate that one. So we've gone on this really long journey and a lot of the themes are coming back to self, coming back to nature. I'm wondering if you can share, I mean, your career. Evolution has taken a huge journey. Health and well-being still seem to kind of underlie beneath the surface. I'm wondering if you can, first of all, just share with us what Sky to Earth is. You mentioned you've got a call for that tonight with your group and how you're speaking in this space, like what you're providing, where people might be able to reach out and work with you, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1:So yeah, sky to Earth came about actually. People were pushing for a course from me actually because I was sharing a lot of information on Instagram. But you know, instagram it's quick information, it's not really sharing long form and I much prefer that because you can obviously relay a lot more. So it really was born from people wanting me to create a space where we could have extensive conversations. I've done little things in the past. I've actually held a few retreats which was incredible with my sisters and done a few little short courses and little zoom videos around different topics.
Speaker 1:But I decided to create Sky to Earth and it was pretty much teaching astrology through an ancient lens while weaving in the tribal dream time stories, because we had Clint Walker come on as a guest speaker sharing about different stories and answering questions, and because we talk about Sky law is what they would call it, what they call astrology essentially, and I could then share my understanding of it and we could see the correlations, just like progress from there. And I think it just grew to me wanting to share it with a different structure, because my interest was really moving more towards natural law and living aligned to that. But I could see how you could start to understand it and actually embody it when you understand your own chart and how you can apply it Within actual law principles and how you can view things. In a certain way, I just found astrology a really good way to explain it on one level, weaving it in. So I ended up changing the course a little bit where instead of going through astrology modules, it was like natural law principles that were moving through with elements of astrology, so mostly traditional and Hellenistic astrology, which is slightly different to modern astrology which most people do these days, mostly because it was more aligned to the dream time stories. I find modern astrology, which I love, is kind of. It's a little bit more loose in the way it's presented and I actually love it. I weave it in, but because of how I went down that more refined way of doing it, it aligned more to teach traditional and Hellenistic for people to understand natural law principles. So it progressed from there and then we were getting guest speakers on and I was loving the conversation so much I didn't want them to end.
Speaker 1:Essentially, so in between the longer courses I just had this nudge to do a conference, so I ended up reaching out to my friend, adele Holmes, and I said do you want to co-host a conference with me? And essentially the idea is to have these higher level philosophical conversations, essentially asking questions, bringing guest speakers on and having these discussions once a week based off the information that we've gone through and really being guided by what surfaces, you know, the information, the questions, the people in the group and to continue these conversations with really the intention to find balance through coming across a lot of this information. Because, like I said previously, you can get all of this or maybe it was before we start the call but you can have all this information and you can really run with it and kind of lose yourself. I think sometimes and I've been there, especially when you're coming into this new way of looking at things you can totally go in one direction and kind of lose yourself or go completely the other way, whatever it might be. But it was to have these multi dimensional, multi layered philosophical discussions and find balance in having these conversations with the intention of what is true, what's the truth, where can we see these different, different understandings woven through how that person, what that person's presented and how that might relate to this person's presentation, because you know they come with different perspectives, they come with different stories, and so that's even more incredible because, rather than just having one person share, one person talk and whatever it might be I mean it's similar with the podcast when you have all of these conversations, you have a much broader understanding and really that was how knowledge was shared and that was how this kind of learning took place back in ancient times. You know, there was all these different nodes coming into this system of knowledge sharing. It wasn't so much a lecture at the front saying this is what you're learning today and blah, blah, blah. It was conversations and it was storytelling and all of that. So that's what it's progressed into.
Speaker 1:So, essentially now I have the Sky to Earth Academy conference and then the Sky to Earth Academy journey, and the journey is more modules that we work through. It's not it's structured, but it's also not structured. We see where we flow and the conference is really bringing guest speakers on having conversations, having discussions around what comes up, answering questions, asking questions and that type of thing. So, yeah, I called it sky to earth because we cover everything from sky to earth. You know what I mean. Yeah, so it's kind of like my pride and joy, and one of my intentions as well that sort of come out of it is, if I have kids one day is to have a space where it might essentially turn into a new way of learning and educating essentially. We actually have a few child authors in the group and one of them has been inspired to create like a bush school.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, it'll be interesting to see how it goes, because this is where it's funny for me because, again, being the bridge, I'm not and this is like not against anyone in that space, but I'm just not really fully into the whole Steiner or even fully hippie way of doing things like I.
Speaker 1:I'm really about balance now and I think that that's really important for me and I think that's really going to be the only way we move forward a bit more united, if we can find some common ground and find that middle point of neutrality, because I think when we go one way or the other, it that's where more divides take place, and it's not so much that even if you look at tribal law, all there's different laws in every country because it's based off the country and based off what's needed in that space. So we need diversity, but I think it's like having a space where we can have conversations without there being too much sway. You could look at it from you know, an outsider, and going well, you definitely that way, depending on where you're sitting. But yeah, that's kind of where it's rolling, so we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2:I think it is coming back to that oneness, right, like you mentioned earlier, that the perceived crisis that the world is in right now is. You know, you can question if it's an essential part of this human experience, right? I just think, coming back to that storytelling, giving everyone the space to share their perspective, a huge part of what I speak to is nothing exists except for perception. Like the whole, everything around us is purely perception, and the truth of it comes through the voice of a human being who's perceived it through their own bias lens, and so to be able to sit in circle and share in a way, I think that's really, really empowering to be able to create that unity and that oneness.
Speaker 2:And coming back to that point of crisis within the world, I mean, I think, whether you read it from the Bible or whether it's other philosophers, throughout history, this point in time there was all this fear because what was happening in the world was matching what had been forecasted. You know the end of the world and people say the world's going to burn and it's like are we looking at it through that perception of the material third dimension, of what that actually means, or is it that we're facing a point of time of choice and we can transcend, but the more that we keep feeding this separation and the divide, the more longer we're going to stay here in this place.
Speaker 1:Right, it has to be this surrender, this unity, this staying true to ourselves, but not fighting and pushing from this place of fear as well yeah, I think you can apply, like again, the law of duality here, because, while it's a time of crisis, is the time of opportunity and, you know, I think it's really important that we hold two poles, and that's why I always come back to balance, because we also don't want to be in a space of going one way or the other. Total crisis, I mean. If we're living in a space of this world's a total crisis, what does that do for mental health, for people's, how they, you know, go through the world, how they treat each other, decisions that they make, and then, if it's only opportunity, you know, people can end up completely bypassing someone that needs help on the street and grow.
Speaker 1:So it's kind of like holding two poles. There is a time of crisis, but it's a time of opportunity, and it's like you know, you can get to the point where it's like, oh, it's crisis, there's nothing that we can do, but it's like no, engage, wait, we're here to engage with the world. We're here to, at this particular point, being shown these certain things for a reason. I mean, there's no such thing as a coincidence. There's things coming up and revealing different things to us, and is that intelligence? It's that life force that's communicating and nudging us to tell our story and it's yeah, it's interesting one.
Speaker 1:That's why balance comes up so much, because we do have to hold two poles, and I think that's how we move forward not with fear, but knowing that we don't want to be in a space of inaction and being passive, because nothing ever, you know you don't learn through that you don't, actually, you're not able to engage with the world around you and then learn through relationship with what it is that you're doing or people around you, because for some people they completely disconnect. And I was in that space. I was like I'm going, I'm living out, in a heart, in the middle of the bush, you know, but that's imbalanced, because we need to find balance moving through this process. I really think that that's the way forward.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it is the crisis that is the catalyst for change and it's only through the crisis that growth gets the innovation, that growth gets the movement and the momentum. And I had a conversation with someone a couple of months ago and they're saying about how devastating the world is and it's disgusting and all of this stuff. We were talking about the stuff that's only just coming to surface the pedophilia and the sex trafficking and transhumanism and all of this different stuff, and a lot of people are very slowly waking up to this. And it is scary when it's new information, right, and this is what we were saying where you start making decisions based out of fear. But I see this in the positive reframe, in that this stuff has always been happening. I mean what? You were 13 when you started to uncover this. You know there's, there's conversations and I was reading about child pedophilia back in my late teens.
Speaker 1:It's been going on a very long time, yeah, and you know, there's so much stuff around, even a lot of political stuff that's happening now.
Speaker 2:It's been going on for a long time we've just not known, and so for me, I see this place of crisis is a really good point, because it's like it's awareness. Now. The only reason it seems so big and so much is because so many people are now waking up to it and so many people are having those conversations, whereas there's always been this big is just no one knew about it, it was under the surface, and so when we can reframe and see it from that point of view, it's that we are getting the momentum forward, like it's awareness proceeds, change, and the more we become aware, the more we, as humanity move in a direction. We're not just sitting in a slumber anymore, and I think, when we can take that perspective I don't know, for me personally I think it can lift a lot of the fear and the anxiety, because it's like, okay, well, that means there is movement happening and that is a good thing and I think it comes back to which I know you speak about a lot.
Speaker 1:It comes back to yourself. If you are having these emotional reactions to the information, there's probably something within you that it's triggering and I think for me that's kind of where I've come to, as well as how I engage with them. React to certain news or information usually tells me what's going on internally within me. If I can't have a neutral response where I'm observing what's going on and making a decision from spirit, I know that there's something else going on for me. I mean, it's the same when you just you know little things, like when you bump your toe or you break something or whatever. I always think there's always something to it.
Speaker 1:But it's usually like if you're a bit peace and imbalanced within your body and your heart and your mind, something like that can happen. You just sweep it up. But if you're a little bit out of whack, you might just drop one little thing that really didn't mean that much to you and just burst into tears. You know, because there is this kind of internal imbalance going on and I think it's the same when it comes to this information is if you have a certain reaction to whatever it is and it might even be offensive, or maybe even you know, I've experienced this a lot kind of dismissing or saying that person's crazy or whatever it might be. Usually how they even respond to that is how they also are to themselves. They don't take themselves seriously, they don't have respect for themselves and they don't listen to themselves. And it'll be how they also engage with that information or people sharing it in some way, and there's always something, a lesson within it so it always comes back to us.
Speaker 1:Like you said before, it's total self responsibility, even when we engage with this new information as above so below, like you said.
Speaker 2:So, mads, if you could leave our audience with I mean, there's just so much wisdom that you could share if you could leave our audience with something that may empower them, perhaps, in navigating the world that we're currently in. We touched on purpose, you know. Coming back to their authentic expression, what advice would you like to give?
Speaker 1:people. I think it's really coming back to what your story is. We talk a lot about the hero's journey in Sky to Earth and that's really the journey that we go on. It can be, it can look like a health journey relationship, whatever it might be. You know, we can have these terrible things going in our life, or we can have these different heartaches, or we can have challenges and essentially, every moment we have a choice to pick up the pen and change and turn around how that story ends or how that story is relayed. You know, and I think that's where these conversations are so important, because you know I could have come on here and told you an introduction of how difficult my health journey's been and what was me and do you know what I mean Like, and I could have done it like that, but actually I've seen it as such an incredible stepping stone to where I am now. So I think it's always coming back to what is the story that you want to write?
Speaker 1:And this is a little bit morbid and for some people that like to stay on the cheery side of life, I'm sorry about this, but there is something that I also think about a lot, and that's actually death. In this society we really hide away from death. It's covered up. You know, I really experienced it when my granddad passed. Fortunately he was able to pass at home. But the whole process with how Australia deals with death is so different to other cultures but it's really seen in a different light by tribal people, by a lot of ancient cultures, and I remember learning one time about I don't know if this is certain tribes, but there is this morning song and morning grieving, literally morning, as in mourning, as in grieving that the tribal women would do in certain areas and they would literally cry in the morning and it was like expressing all of their pain and the loss and they would cry together and it was a really uniting time and moment. And I think it steps you into this space when you think about winter comes and seasons end.
Speaker 1:I think it allows you to appreciate your story. It allows you to appreciate the small things in life and how incredible of a gift it is to be here, makes you think what's really meaningful when it's sitting and eating your food and being present and having a conversation with those that you love and making each day meaningful, and maybe meaningful can be like lying on your bed the whole day because you don't feel great, like whatever it is. But it's like having that in your mind and I know that can be morbid. I think it's only more because we see death in a different way to what it is. I think it really shows us how blessed we are, you know, and how incredible every day is and how much of a gift it is, and I think that that having that in mind helps you to make decisions.
Speaker 1:I know for me, when I was doing my corporate job and property development, I wasn't thinking about death, like I was thinking about my to-do list, thinking about the next five weeks and our campaign strategy that I had to execute. I wasn't present with how I was feeling and how deep my breaths were during the day and listening to the birds and those little things. But I think, coming back to that, and it's like how do you want to write your story, how do you want this story, this chapter, to end? And it's just a chapter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that and it's again. Timing is just so interesting because I'm just looking at rebirthing, a program that I ran a couple of years ago and the final module of it is speaking specifically to this. I ask them to write the eulogy that their loved ones write for them at their funeral, Because I think we go through the day-to-day experience focusing on the material things that we leave behind when we go. Like, when we go, the only thing that remains after this body is gone is the essence that we leave in the memory of our footprint, our legacy, and I think so often people get caught up on how their body looks, in the car they drive and their house they live in and their job and their status and the economy and all of this different stuff, and no one you don't pass on, and people talk about how you looked when you were here on Earth. People love you and people are going to be at your funeral on your deathbed remembering those moments, about how you made them feel, and so if you're living this life driven by the ego and driven by the material and driven by this self-gratification, then you're not having those experiences, those connections, that energy exchange with the people that actually imprint your legacy when you're no longer here, and this again comes back to storytelling and the respect for the elders.
Speaker 2:Through all of that part of life and how we've evolved, it's so important to have something to share to our children, to continue this legacy right. And I think when we can wake up each day and live reverse engineering, like live with the end in mind we can really see and have gratitude for every moment of this life. And I think it really puts into perspective whether we're climbing a ladder that's leaning on the wrong wall. I think COVID woke everyone up. Covid had such a fear sting to it that in the coaching space I started to recognize like people were quitting their jobs. People were starting to realize what the hell am I doing with my life? People are dying on the inside every single day and we have this fear of leaving the Earth. But it's just like how much are you actually alive in this present moment?
Speaker 1:110, yep very alive you and I 100%.
Speaker 2:Oh God, I'm just like. Oh my God, how have I not met this woman, sorry, much earlier down the track. So, maddie, how can people connect with you? Maybe with Planner to Seed for some people? Maybe people are already on this journey. How can people reach out or find you or work?
Speaker 1:with you. I might share my email so that you can drop that, definitely email me and reach out. Otherwise, I'm on Instagram and, yeah, sky to Earth. We've just closed the doors with the conference, but we will most likely do another one next year and I'll do a journey which I'll share on my Instagram. But if you wanna go on a waiting list, you can email me and I can put you on that as well. So that's pretty much it. I'm betting on uploading on YouTube. I was thinking of starting videos on BitShoot, but I'm enjoying getting on other people's podcasts at the moment.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think showing up on other people's platforms would a way to do it, and I am so like you in the sense that I can't do the short form. It's got to be conversation. That's where the goal is. So, yeah, I totally agree. Hmm, well, thank you so much for everything that you've brought to this. I really think that we would have illuminated a lot and planted a lot of seeds as well. So thank you for today.
Speaker 1:Thank you so much. I really enjoyed this conversation with you.
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