It's All Wellness

#12: How To Trust Your Intuitive Guidance with Casey Stevens

• Jemaine Finlay

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In today’s episode of It’s All Wellness, I’m joined by Casey Stevens, a spiritual psychotherapist, to explore the transformative power of trusting your intuitive guidance. If you've ever struggled with discerning between your intuition and fear or have found it difficult to connect to your inner wisdom, this episode is for you.

Casey shares how we can reconnect with our intuition as a tool for healing and alignment. We discuss practical ways to strengthen your connection to your intuitive abilities, including how to differentiate intuition from fear, as well as the importance of stillness and self-awareness. Whether you're just beginning your spiritual journey or looking to deepen your connection to your inner guidance, Casey’s insights will help you trust yourself and live with more clarity and purpose.

Key Topics Covered:

  • What intuition is and why it's important in our lives
  • The difference between intuitive guidance and fear
  • How to strengthen your connection to your intuitive wisdom
  • Practical steps to trust your intuition more deeply
  • The role of surrendering and letting go of control
  • How intuition can be a healing tool for emotional and physical well-being

Practical Takeaways:

  1. Spend time in silence to connect with your inner voice and listen to your intuition.
  2. Track your energy and notice how different situations make you feel to identify when you’re aligned with your truth.
  3. Practice asking questions and listening for your inner answers.
  4. Validate your intuitive hits by acknowledging when your intuition is correct and noticing how it feels in your body.
  5. Surrender control and trust that your intuition will guide you in divine timing.


About Casey Stevens

Casey is a Licensed Psychotherapist, a Master Certified Coach and a Certified Clinical Hypnotherapist with over a decade of clinical practice. Beyond that, her intuition and healing abilities allow her to feel people’s unique energy and adapt tools and techniques based on the precise needs of each soul. With a comprehensive bank of training under her belt, Casey brings elements of Sharmanism, Theta Healing, Reiki, Somatic Psychology, Past Life Integration, and energy clearing among others to the space of psychological healing.

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Website: https://www.shrinkbigger.com

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Speaker 1:

Instead of being influenced by everything, which is again where these adaptive strategies might have come along, where we're hyper-vigilant because we're attuning to the environment. I would rather operate from this place, this quiet gentle, knowing that I can uplift the vibration of the environment by being in it, because I am coherent inside myself. And how do we uplift the world and really raise the vibration frequency? That's the most potent way that we can do it, rather than always reacting and responding to the environment. It's like, actually, how are we most powerful at influencing that?

Speaker 2:

Welcome back to it's All Wellness. My name is Jermaine Finlay and it is my mission to help you unravel the limiting conditioning that keeps you in this pattern of self-doubt, self-sabotage and self-loathe. Each week, I'll bring you a person or a message to keep you curious about the power of the human mind and inspired to take action in a life that feels more aligned, ultimately helping you reclaim your life, your health and your happiness. It's all wellness. Today you are in for such a soul-narration conversation that really does bridge science and spirituality.

Speaker 2:

We are joined from across the globe with Casey Stevens, a spiritual psychotherapist who is clinically trained and mystically guided. Casey has a holistic approach to psychological healing that really helps restructure unproductive patterns and help her clients make radical transformation through conscious awakening. Today is a really beautiful conversation that really aligns to the real mission for why I started this podcast. We talk about the dis-ease that, when unexpressed, materializes into the physical disease, and we talk about awakening to our own intuition, helping you take personal responsibility in your life, your health and your happiness. So let's dive in, casey.

Speaker 1:

Welcome to the show. Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be here with you.

Speaker 2:

Oh, I am so honored to have you joining us from across the world today. There is a lot of synergy in what lights you up and what lights me up and how we interweave a little bit of spirituality and science into both of our professions. So I am incredibly grateful to have you and your time here today.

Speaker 1:

Oh, I'm so grateful to be here with you. Likewise, I feel a lot of synergy with you.

Speaker 2:

What I really love about your key message is that you're clinically trained and mystically guided, and this is what really jumps out to me, because I like to understand the science behind things as a basis and then allow, I guess, what science is only just starting to catch up to and what we've always traditionally known around intuition and spirituality and allowed that to come through. And I think the clinically trained element really allows people who are kind of neutral on the fence or a little bit skeptical of this element of consciousness and therapy to have an introduction. So what I would really love to start this conversation today is perhaps just give me a bit of a brief background on your practice and perhaps how you've come to be in this particular model of psychotherapy.

Speaker 1:

Well, there's probably a long and a short story to that, but I'll try to condense it as much as possible. Ultimately, I came through this really kind of organic way, which is when I was in a time in my own life when I really needed to heal. I was fortunate enough which I don't think was a coincidence that the healing that I sought happened to be from a therapist. But she was also extremely gifted in her own tools and medicine and magic, and so she worked in this world, even though she wasn't broadcasting it. But I think it's no coincidence that I came to find her and that we worked together. And what I found in my own healing space and this is well over a decade ago I just found how enriching it was. I knew I needed to have this scientific way that we were talking and understanding, critically thinking about things. I come from a very grounded place in my own mind, I would say as well, but what I found kind of took me to the level that I needed to get, was to be able to incorporate this other spiritual self that I could talk to her about, I could experience, she could validate, I could see validated in my interactions with her, and so it really just reconnected me. It helped me remember all of those intuitive parts that I had that were inside of me that I'd probably been ignoring or neglecting for a long time. And so I just found and it was a time period in my life where everything was dissolving and so I really had to reexamine who I was and how I wanted to show up and move forward in the world, which also meant my career.

Speaker 1:

I didn't do this work yet, but I came to her one day and I just said I think I want to do what you do. And she said to me I've just been waiting for you to say that. And of course, in my visions I didn't want to copy her exactly. It was just like you know what I want to help people in this really practical way.

Speaker 1:

And with that time that meant I had to go back to school and do all of these things, and I want to integrate my own magic and medicine. And I knew that it would work and that it would resonate with people because it resonated so deeply with me. So I knew other people would benefit from this same kind of healing and frankly, at the time I mean this is maybe 15 years ago that wasn't readily available. Right now it's so much more normalized as holistic healing and intuition and all of those things. But it wasn't easy to find and I just thought, man, if I am resonating with this so much, other people have to be hungry for this. And so then it was just clear, like once I clicked into my vision of how I wanted to practice. I just was very steadfast on a path to do exactly that, and do it in my own unique way.

Speaker 2:

So and so for the audience, this concept of mysticism, I think it can kind of lead to a bit of a stereotype where people might think we're talking about looking into your magic ball and clairvoyancy and this kind of thing. So I'm wondering if you could perhaps just differentiate traditional psychotherapy from this modality that you've interwoven, where you bring spirituality into that.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I mean I think there are, I think, of this scientific model, anything right. Whether you apply that to medicine or this, I call it kind of more a Western model. There is so much value and I think it provides a useful foundation of tracking patterns and helping us understand intellectually things. And so I think of psychotherapy and certainly the trainings that I had as a therapist right in psychology specifically as really really beautiful foundation and I needed that as well just to understand the human psyche and behaviors, human behaviors and patterns better.

Speaker 1:

But again, integrating for me and I did it sort of gradually and in all of these ways that I just kind of connected more to my own intuitive spiritual self and I found that incorporating that spiritual self isn't always accounted for, and so it's almost like in science we reach the ceiling and which to me means limitation, like there's a limitation with how much we can help anybody because we're not accessing all of these layers of who they are and what's going on around.

Speaker 1:

You know, kind of in the energetics of that's not necessarily something we study in the scientific programs that we do, and so for me it was really just wanting to honor both, even if that was kind of stepping out on a ledge and connecting a lot of the gifts that I have. Even that my own intuition comes just from a place of deep knowing where I had developed this deep relationship with myself, and it's not something that can really be taught. Certainly there are ways that we can study ancient practices and Eastern studies and, you know, there is a way that we can tap into different modalities and learn that. But to me, I think what's so fascinating is finding what each of our own gifts and medicine are, which we're going to express differently, and when we align with that and we're anchored in kind of a clinical understanding of things but we align with that within ourselves.

Speaker 1:

Rather than trying to be something that we've learned or we studied or copying somebody else, we're doing it in an intrinsic, I guess, organic right, like that medicine is unique to you and we're tapping into our own blueprint, and so when we add that we are so much more powerful at helping people, I have found anyway because that just becomes this conduit that they can tap into in themselves right. So it's not a matching or a mirroring, but an opening of their own gifts, Whatever those express themselves in them.

Speaker 2:

So Thank you, that's beautiful. I love the way that you've explained and defined that. Did you find it challenging? Because I know for myself when I studied the psychology model. There is this big teaching around not allowing yourself or your story to be influencing or coming through in the clinical setting and what.

Speaker 2:

I've found through my own journey is it's actually through story and it's actually through being able to connect in that relationship that you can truly allow, I guess, someone can feel seen and heard and allow them to drop into perhaps aspects of themselves that they weren't ready to face. It builds that trust, obviously without making it about yourself, but it allows people to think there's not necessarily a hierarchy here. Where you're a trained professional, it's almost like a round circle where you can sit in circle and share story and really get to that deeper level of healing. When you made that transition in your own practice, did you find that challenging or any conflicts come up with that?

Speaker 1:

Yes, and I couldn't agree more. I really often refer to the container that I provide as this sacred circle where we're two souls meeting or however many people are in that circle. We're just meeting, and I think there is something. Even the psychology that I studied was more of a humanistic approach and so it celebrated that I was already leaning into that, and humanistic means that we can show up and we can use our humor, we can tell personal story, so I was drawn to that already and I think, dropping into that because most of psychology there are very few modalities within the psychology field that really do celebrate that, because most of it's just like, okay, you're here, and I hear that all the time from people that tend to find me right is that they've had some experience where they weren't really feeling like they were sitting with the essence of a person, if they had tried therapy before and not been successful, which is not an indictment of that.

Speaker 1:

It's wonderful for some people and I think people are seeking, to your point, just more of this human connection and normalizing and sharing our stories and being more transparent when it's valuable, right, I mean therapy is certainly not for me to show up as a therapist and dump any of my stuff or project any of that onto somebody, but it's really again, I think it's an intuition of knowing when that would be vital and what I mean. I notice I'll get downloads of things while I'm meeting with somebody and if that is this impression or this memory is coming through for me, or a little story connected to an anecdote or something that I can share, I'll think I know there's a reason for them that I'm getting this, because if I'm integrated around it, then there's a reason this is dropping in for me. And of course, you have to intuit timing and all of that and if it would be appropriate to share, but oftentimes I find that it is, it's like, always pays off. There's a reason you're giving, being given this impression to share with somebody so that they can have the healing benefit of it or that it would resonate for them in some way. It's like. However, it's not my job and I've learned this, actually, from some ancient healers too it's not my job to interpret what this might mean for you, but for some reason I'm getting this, you know, download to share with you. And so what does that? What comes through for you when I do that, like you are allowed to make your own meaning out of it rather than me making meanings. I hope I'm answering your question and not getting too sidetracked.

Speaker 1:

And it, yeah, I think the challenges for me were this early on in my practice. Even though I was so clear about how I wanted to practice and I wanted to integrate these two models of science and spirituality, it still took some confidence because, again, even the timing of that, which is I started my practice more than a decade ago, it wasn't normal. Nobody was out there doing that and so just kind of my own fears around. Well, will this be accepted? I put so much energy and effort into learning this modality of psychology right, the traditional clinical practice of it. I put so much effort I don't want to shoot myself in the foot. It was like there were some hangups that I had around what other people would think around that, and so I was probably cautious going into it my first few years.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, just not fully flying my spiritual flag out there, but slowly what I found is the people and I believe there's an energetic to this that is kind of magical and not a coincidence is the people that would come to see me, even though I wasn't really broadcasting it in a literal way to anyone, the people that would see me. We would end up working in that way, and so that became really affirming to me that this is how people might want to heal and this is how I actually prefer sitting with people. And so, you know, I just kind of gradually eased into that and I there were different levels and iterations of me integrating this spiritual self into my practice. I would be lying if I said that I did it like right from the get go, that I had all the confidence in the world to do that, because I mean, I had fears financially around. Oh my gosh, will this be accepted? Will I get clients? Are they going to think I'm weird? You know all of that.

Speaker 1:

So I think there was a way that I integrated slowly, but it's kind of like I allowed that part of myself to be seen, even if it was in the privacy of a session, and then I saw reward from that coming back, meaning that it was valuable for the people that I was meeting with, and so so I just kind of allowed myself to broadcast that even more and frankly, it's would be impossible, right, I look back to even those early years when I was in, you know, early practice of not showing that full self, not showing my whole self showing up in that way, and I can't imagine going back there, because I want to work with people who are aligned with this work.

Speaker 1:

It's not for everybody, but I find get so much more energy and value from the work that I do when I do it in a way that's true to myself, and so I've just gotten better and better about integrating that over time.

Speaker 2:

And I think that's such an important message for people in the healing space, because often we are the empaths and we want to give everything of ourselves to be able to support people in that journey. So I think that is just such a beautiful way to share how you've integrated this practice, just slowly and gradually, because at the end of the day you can give more when you have that energetic capacity and you're not coming from a place of burnout yourself or the need for yourself to fix somebody else, which again really empowers the patient in front of you, knowing that it is purely their journey and you're just there to hold space for that. So that's beautiful.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you're just there to create the container.

Speaker 2:

So yeah, beautiful. Now I would love to know you did touch on at the start that this whole evolution did come from a little bit of your own healing journey. Do you find that, even as a child, that you always had this intuitive gift, or is it something that experience and, I guess, self reflection through these hard times has allowed you to bring to light? How did that intuitive process come about for you?

Speaker 1:

I really think it was something that, yes, I had it. I think some of it can be a trauma response, right, where, again, we take on a hypervigilance in a way of tuning in, being able to attune to our environment and to people and situations, right, like we take on those abilities kind of as a trauma response. It's like when did I need to be aware of what was going on with others and how did that serve me? And so we can get really good at it as young children. Of course this is not anything we're consciously doing, but we can get really good at it.

Speaker 1:

Some people, if they have really chaotic households I didn't have that particular dynamic in my family of origin that it wasn't too chaotic but there was certainly attunement, even on a more refined level, to the emotional ups and downs of people right In my household or that I would be surrounded by, and so I would attune to that Mostly, I would say with my mom, like I could attune, if there was a mood or there was something going on that was of service to me to navigate life differently, right. Of course I wouldn't have been cautious that, but I think we just we move through life and so we're able to have these gifts where we attune and we might not even be conscious of it, right, it's like all of a sudden I would be feeling somebody's pain or I have a pain in my. You know, like before any of this deeper work that I got more conscious of at all, I would feel things or experience, but we get further and further away of our conscious knowing of that. We're just automatically doing these things, right, and we're not sure what's happening and we don't know what's who. You know, is that me, is that them? Like we're not even aware. And then I think, when we start diving in and reconnecting with ourselves, we're able to notice and differentiate. Oh, that's their feeling, that I, that's them, that I'm feeling. That's not me, right, I'm, this is, this is who I am and this is what my baseline is. This is how I feel about that thing, right, or whatever you know broadly trying to describe it. I hope that does some justice. And so I really think.

Speaker 1:

And then I also think that some among us, you know, can just be maybe more naturally intuitive, not that I'm with the highest peak of all of that, but some of us are really intuitive and so able to tune in, and some of it, you know, probably becomes blurry, like what of that is the compensatory strategy, what of that is the hyper vigilance, and what of that is just kind of our ability to know things that we couldn't. That's a lot of my intuition will come from, like just a knowing. It's like I don't know why I know this, but I know it kind of I was describing earlier. I'll get a download of something and I've learned to trust if I'm having this thought or if this is dropping in for me right now and it might seem entirely random to me. There's like a knowing that I have about that that I would just call pure intuition. That isn't necessarily that I'm. I mean, certainly we're. I think we're always in an energy exchange with everybody and everything at all times, right, but it's certainly not me being just so hyper vigilant that I'm feeling what they're feeling, but it's some combination of both.

Speaker 1:

I don't know if you relate to that, but all of that is to say that I think, at least in my own journey, and I find really common that we will have these gifts, good or bad, wherever the source of them were, and then we go through our life and we just become less and less conscious and more automatic until we consciously sit down and really try to understand, go inward and try to understand ourselves, and then, through understanding ourselves, we're able to understand the world a lot better and we're able to perceive. And so I always think of it as like a remembering, like how do we remember where you know any of this is coming from or who we are? We're remembering who we were and we're coming back to that rather than gathering new tools and skills. We're gathering more consciousness, I believe, but we're not necessarily learning anything new, especially when it's coming from that really guided place and we're able to differentiate. Part of that consciousness, I would say, is we are able to differentiate what is a hypervigilance and when is it that I'm feeling your energy and that's impacting my energy field somehow, and when is it again just this deep knowing.

Speaker 1:

And also, you know, it's not really my business to go around walking around in the world, help hating anybody's energy field, unless because I don't want people doing that to me, unless there has been kind of a conscious contract around doing that, and so it benefits me right to create more of a filter, especially those of us who are more sensitive, and we're absorbing information and data all the time.

Speaker 1:

I mean even this as a personality trait. We can think, oh well, we're introverted or we're shy or we're you know, but really that might come from a protection of like data overload, that you're sensory overload, that you're getting right from the collective, from certain environments here in, and so it's really starting to understand that so much of who we think we are as an identity or a personality might have come from some, you know, more primitive version of ourselves that needed to adapt in that way, and so it's our adaptive child taking on some of those strategies. And so listening and honoring those messages that we get once we get to know ourselves better is really how I have done it in my own life and I see other people being successful in that way. What do you think?

Speaker 2:

I completely agree and from your experience of how you receive this information I resonate with deeply. My partner finds it really fascinating because I come to this place of knowing and I don't know where it came from, but it's unshakable certainty and I know that it's not a belief or it's not a thought that I've come to, it's like a full body. Knowing is the only way I can explain it and when it unfolds as truth in the material world, he's just. He. We just has learned to just accept that. He used to think that it was just crazy, but it's just.

Speaker 2:

I think the more I've had him in my life to reflect when these moments happen, it's allowed me to drop deeper into that trust and that knowing as well.

Speaker 2:

But I think there's two components to it. I mean, I'm someone who has always hobbied in neuroscience and you look at those first seven years of our life before our brainwave comes into that beta state where we're fluctuating and we go from Delta and Alpha and you know that child is making sense of the world based on how the world makes it feel. It is very intuitive, it is a feeling process. And then I think, once we start to come to that beta state where we can rationalize and conceptualize and come a little bit more into the mind over the heart. I think you really articulated it very well as it is a remembering. It is remembering to come back to that guidance where we can integrate our spiritual body and our physical body to really guide us to the information. You know you said some things came in as a compensatory pattern as well and I found for myself, with having a little bit of a chaotic environment that I grew up in it was safe for me to hyper rationalize, hyper attuned to the environment, and I do.

Speaker 2:

It is one thing that I'm very grateful for in my journey, because I think it has allowed me one to come to this understanding of needing the scientific grounding, needing to understand human behavior, needing to understand the, the neuroscience of it all. And then I guess, through that process, I think previously I used to rationalize someone's behavior to a point that I would accept it within my own life, and there's a difference between seeing someone for their journey but then also having personal boundaries for what you'll accept within your own life as well. And so I think, for a while, there on this journey, I was understanding and rationalizing their past life and how that's reflecting in their behavior and then making it okay for that behavior to be in my life. So then there's that, that discernment as well, but I think it, like you said, it has to be that healing journey within yourself, because it does also take it into another level, where it's discerning this feeling that I'm feeling within my body.

Speaker 2:

Is this actually a trigger for something that's still unseen, or is this actually an intuitive guidance that's coming through as well? I mean, both could be intuitive in it's showing you that there's something there to be seen. But you know, sometimes when we get that gut feeling, it can be a gut feeling because the subconscious is drawing on a past experience that may have been traumatic, but it might also be a gut feeling in that it's just an intuitive. You're picking up on the energy of that person and it does genuinely feel unsafe. So did you find through your journey where I guess you reached a point where you could trust in the knowing that this was receiving energy from someone else or whether it was triggered energy within yourself?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I find a really good way to do that is to listen, because we might get intuitive messages to your point. We might get intuitive messages from, from or about, or we might get those that aren't necessary. You know they don't feel good, but it's, it's information nonetheless. And I think, if it comes through, of course, and also barring the fact that we are not actually in danger and so we might be tapping into a potential danger, right, but. But if we're not in danger, if we're having a nervous system response to that where we're panicking or we're getting into fear or it's the, the information is coming through as chaotic, right, rather than just kind of calm, like I could get a calm message that like, nope, that person's not safe or don't go that way, or, you know not, not a match or not a client to work with, or what, I could get a calm knowing about that, and it still may not be a positive message, but I think our intuition is is calmer, it's more peaceful, it's kind of a quiet whisper that comes through that isn't going to panic us or put us into a state of fear. So if we're getting messages that are coming through in that way, right, with this more frenetic energy.

Speaker 1:

What I have found and I'm sure there are examples outside of that, but what I found is really like okay, well, I have to look at what inside of me is triggered by that. If, again, I'm actually in a place where I'm safe and there's no threat, well then, why am I reacting in that way? Right, what am I picking up on? If it feels chaotic in that way? But if it is just kind of like a consistent quiet whisper that comes through, then I've learned to really listen to that, because that's what our intuition sounds like. I hope that answers your question.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, no, it does beautifully. I really love that. Now I'm also wondering in clinical practice being intuitively guided. In clinical practice, you know, some people it's a feeling within the body, Some people it's a visual download or it might be a voice, kind of like an audible download. How do you receive it when you're in clinical practice working with somebody?

Speaker 1:

Well for me. I'm very kinesthetic and so I will oftentimes feel and I feel like I've even gotten better at that which is me kind of moving through my own kind of trauma response, where and not that I can't still get this, but I'll tell stories from early in my practice it's like all of a sudden I would be fine and 10 minutes before somebody gets there, all of a sudden like I'm feeling anxious, which is not something like it's knowing your own baseline, and so I could physically feel oftentimes kind of ahead of time. It's like I get a lot of times this signal that would come through that before anybody even walked in my door. I knew what energy they were with and so I could feel it. It was like it arrived early and because there was some contract to connect that, sometimes right, especially if it's more intense feeling that somebody's having, I would like sit with that feeling. To me that's my hypervigilance, right. That's my trauma response, it's able to attune to that right. It's like, okay, be prepared.

Speaker 1:

How I find that it happens now in practice is I can still get that, but if I'm going in, especially if I'm doing some kind of subconscious or energy work with somebody or we're doing a shamanic type journey, then I'll get literally impressions that move around in my body. Sometimes that's a pain, sometimes that's a sensation, sometimes that's a word that downloads. So it's kind of I call it tracking the energy, because I almost become like this vessel where I can receive data and I can feel where they're feeling it, and sometimes they're consciously feeling it and aware of it, and sometimes they're not that attuned to themselves yet. But it's like it gives me almost like a map of where we're going to go with them and I don't try to jump ahead. It's not like I need to read the whole map, but I'm just kind of present with whatever that is. As long as I need to be present to kind of hold space and reflect it back to them so they can get better at doing this themselves right, and so that's what a lot of it will work. And sometimes that comes through as visions. Visions aren't my talk, Like I'm again.

Speaker 1:

So I'm kinesthetic in that way that I'll kind of get these physical impressions of things or I'll know where the energy might be stored in. The trauma might be stored in their body, but as soon as we sit with that, then it will shift and now it's in another place or something else is coming through, and so what I find is that just during a session like that, it's like the energy is just moving around in them and in me and I can see it, and then by the time you're done, it's there's relief and something has lifted and you're free from that right, and they're free from it. Most of all and I think that can also be and what I actually happens. I don't know if you experience this, but for me, I get validation, which is actually a physiological nervous system response right, people who do somatics and understand what you know, polyvagal theory and all of this. Like when we have relief in our nervous system, we yawn or we burp or we'll sigh or we'll do these things. So when I'm working with somebody and the energy is tracking, I will get confirmation. Like I'll be yawning, like all of a sudden like you know if you didn't know me and you didn't know, that's how it worked Like all of a sudden I would just be like yawn after yawn, after yawn after yawn, and that's because we're clearing energy in their field. So I'm just a reflection and they may be yawning, they may not be. Sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't. But for me, if that's a really clear message, like we're on the right track, we're clearing the energy, we're actually shifting their nervous system, we're moving trauma, even though they could be across the world, right, we don't have to be in the same room, like all of that is happening.

Speaker 1:

And I know, because I'm all of a sudden yawning or burping or sighing, or I'm having all of these kind of physiological expressions which, again, we know from all of these practices are a resetting of the nervous system, right, we're coming back to a baseline, and so I can't describe it other than I just know that that is what happens for me, right, and so my people who work with me know that, and so they're, you know. But even still, I feel silly like, oh, my gosh, yeah, I'm just. Yeah, we're moving a lot of energy. We're moving a lot of energy because I will literally just be like yon after yon after yon, and it's hard, or all of a sudden I'll have this big gulper, just something will happen right In my physiology and it just tells me that we're on track and we're moving the energy. And so, again, people who work with me really know that, and so they're not thinking like, oh, I'm all of a sudden so tired in their session.

Speaker 1:

No, I'm moving a lot of energy, which is beautiful, because when it moves for them and I know that these are their messages and these are, this is their healing that's happening in their nervous system, but I feel, on a way, right, it creates this beautiful space that that shifts things for me as well. So it's such a powerful gift that if you're in sacred circle, right, it's like we're all benefiting from that, because I'm shifting things in my own system. And then the other way that I'll get is mostly a knowing, right, it's like I'll just get downloaded and I have no idea. I might not even see the vision, but it's like something's just been dropped into my consciousness of, say, you know, say this or you know, remind me of something in my own life. And it's not that I'm distracted or taken to another place, but I'm like this is for them. I trust now that this whatever is coming through which, again, for me is usually like a clear cognizance or clear sentience, are my strongest too.

Speaker 1:

But sometimes I get visions, sometimes I hear things, sometimes I'll, you know, feel things outside of me, right, that might be of other energies and whatnot, and so I get that and I'll use. I'm just trusted that I will share that right. I want to share that so that people can have access to. If this is valuable to you, great. If it's not, maybe it will resonate later. Usually it resonates, though. Usually it's like spot on, and so that's how that comes through for me, yeah.

Speaker 2:

I love that. Do you a question that's just come up as you were speaking. Do you think that this intuitive guidance is something that we all have, we've just forgotten and, I guess, being conditioned away from? Or do you think that the greater consciousness was created in a way that there are certain people that I guess it destined to be, those particular healers or guides through the human experience?

Speaker 1:

I think we all can have it, but I do think it's a choice. You know, there's probably lots of ways that that expresses. But I think when somebody consciously makes the effort to peel away any of the adaptive strategies that we have put in place to not feel right I mean we are so conditioned in our society in general and our collective to numb and feel less and less and less that it really takes this effort. I believe in some healing setting in a meaningful way, where we're going inward and we are peeling back all of that conditioning that we have so that we can actually feel again, so that we can actually connect to our true self again. And so when we do that now we've erased all of these strategies that we're not serving us and we're not allowing us to be fully alive and fully expressed and fully attuned to ourselves Right, and so now we know ourselves. But then if we actually apply even more consciousness to that, understand this interplay of this relationship, not just with self, which is important kind of initial place to create this framework that we can access our intuition from, then we can kind of consciously create this relationship with everything else. Now, if I'm in tune with myself, I can't not be able to connect to the energy of everything else in a more clear way, right, in a way that's no longer filtered or layered with just whatever parts of our psyche right wouldn't allow us to see clearly or access that right. It's our own filter, and so I think when we do those things and we're intentional to really tap in and practice that and learn to trust it and listen to it and have faith in that ability that we all have, well then I think I mean that's literally the work that I do with people is connecting them to that, and so the desire alone, I think, initiates a spark that they can reconnect to that in this meaningful way. However, that is for them, and I also find that some of us have more layers that it's harder to access. So when we, for instance and this is actually something that I have struggled with myself it's like I have really flexed this intellectual muscle in my life and have reward for that, and so the more we go up in the mind, the more disconnected we are from our feelings and our body, and so people who are extremely rigid or extremely overthinkers or places like that's just in one example, although there might be many people who are operating in those ways can really feel hard to access that because they have to break down those strategies.

Speaker 1:

So some of us were nurtured, right, it's kind of like as a young child. You can imagine if you saw your mom crying and you said, hey, mom, what's the matter? And she said, oh, nothing, nothing, right, like in those moments. They're micro moments, but in those moments our intuition, like what we see happening, what we trust, that we see, what we know, what we're acknowledging and speaking to, is being denied. And so if that denial doesn't happen, if we have more conscious parents who can help us to integrate our own feelings, and they celebrate that and they don't deny our experience, right, but they help walk us through, whether they're aware of the impact that they're having on our intuition in that moment, consciously or not, it's developing this relationship with ourself where I can, in this container, say what I feel and be witnessed for that and you reflect back to me.

Speaker 1:

Oh, you're right, I am sad right now, right, rather than denying that, which is where a lot of our intuition will get shut down. And so some of us have more programming around that than others, right, Some of us are really in family systems right, that they're maybe that kind of emotional self or that spiritual self is more celebrated and there is this relationship where that can be talked about right, and when parents are in touch with those parts of themselves, well then they can nurture in their children. So, and some of us have more work to do to deprogram and so that can feel like it's harder to access, whereas some of some people it's just easier because from the get go that celebrated right, they have nurtured in their children some quality of trusting what they say, trusting what they know and affirming that to them in some way. So I think that has a lot to do with intuition as well.

Speaker 2:

That's such a beautiful response, and it is such a multi dimensional conversation.

Speaker 2:

I think that was just a really beautiful point that you rounded off with the example there of a child and a mother, because I think, you know, it's only more recent generations that are actually starting to open to being OK with having emotional responses, whereas prior to that it would be, you know, got to be ladylike. We don't show anger, we don't show how we're feeling, or if you're a man, you've got to suck it up and soldier on, and so I think we're now moving into the generations where that's accepted. So I really appreciate you sharing that little insight as well, especially for parents. Now, in this present moment, having that awareness and a huge message that I have found that's followed me through my career evolution is the awareness, proceeds change, and I guess if people have this image of what consciousness is and it's this big expansive idea of spirituality I think when we come back to consciousness, really being present and observing everything around, observing how we're feeling, observing how we're responding that observer effect is almost our consciousness, and so when we can be in the present moment, observing how we're responding in the present moment, it allows us to be conscious and intentional with how we move forward from that moment and one thing that I do think is really potent in that moment of consciousness and it is it is a practice, like you said. We've been so well practiced in becoming unconscious and living on autopilot that it really does. It does take time, just like you know, starting at a gym or starting a meditation practice. They have practices because we've got to repeat them until we relearn.

Speaker 2:

But it's the episode before this one. Today we were speaking about natural law and there are certain laws around the law of correspondence, the law of vibration, the law of duality, and when we have a look at these natural laws whilst we're also being the observer, this is where we can learn to really validate those intuitive downloads, because we see the symbolism in a lot of things that come up in life and, whether it be a conversation we were having in that episode, was certain animals representative of certain astrological planets, and so that carries with it a certain energy, and if you're sitting in this moment of refinement or you know needing a message or guidance, and that particular animal comes and sits with us, it can be kind of validation of that connection to spirit, and so we cannot access those messages either within our body or within our environment. If we're not living consciously in the present moment, if our unconscious mind is living in the past or anticipating the future, we miss all of these moments that remind us how magical this life experience truly is.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Well, it sounds like that's a fabulous episode. I need to go back and listen to it. But yeah, I mean, I couldn't agree more. And even kind of circling back to the parents, and when that gets adopted in the first place, it's like it might be coming from a really well meaning place, but even still, it doesn't allow us to access and build that relationship of trust with ourselves, and so it's so important that we clear out that filter internally so that we can practice that, so that we can get back into this place of knowing. You know, connect to the knowing being within, inside ourselves, and then we can observe these laws and it just all clicks and it flows and it makes sense and it's magnetic and it's magical and all of these things, and there's also a science to that that it really is beautiful. So I love that. I'll have to take a listen.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, absolutely. And you know, drawing on the science of that a lot of research from the Heart Math Institute it does really bring science to this resonance that we all share. If we can come to a place where we drop out of the mind and we can create that coherent state between the heart and the brain, they show that that resonance is measurable at least three feet radius around our body and it can actually influence the rhythm of the heart of the people around us and more and more research in that space is showing that we can create global coherence from that place. It can be done virtually and this is where science is only just catching up to what we've already intuitively known, right, Right, right, right.

Speaker 1:

I know I love some of these real thought leaders who are putting that out. I think Joe Dispenza does a beautiful job I've had the privilege of doing some intensive retreats with him as well and just that way that we can connect and really demonstrate that back to the world that it's not just this woo woo stuff, it's real, and I know I personally believe in this. Instead of being influenced by everything, which is again where these adaptive strategies might have come along, where we're hyper vigilant because we're attuning to the environment, I would rather operate from this place, this like quiet gentle, knowing that I can uplift the vibration of the environment by being in it, because I'm coherent inside myself. And how do we uplift the world and really raise the vibration frequency? Like that's the way to do it, that's the most potent way that we can do it, rather than always reacting and responding right to the environment. It's like, actually, how are we most powerful at influencing that? And it's exactly the way that you just described beautifully.

Speaker 2:

And so how would you? I guess it's going to be unique depending on where any individual is at any given time, but are there any particular tools that would help an individual really tap into that knowing for themselves?

Speaker 1:

Well, I think deciding right to your point, like deciding this awareness is going to proceed, change, and so deciding that you really want to be aware of everything and then be in this practice where you can slow down and take on more and more awareness, because then we can integrate more of that. The way that I do it in my practice is kind of what I was describing. If I'm holding a container with somebody, then it really is demonstrating for them tracking of this energy, and so don't try to figure the whole thing out right now. Right, if you try to put the whole puzzle together and get to the end of the map, you're going to get overwhelmed, you're not going to understand it, and so it's really just step by step, and for me, that is when I'm working with people tracking the energy, and so just go where you're most drawn, just start there, like if something is speaking loudest, whether that's a thought, whether that's a sensation in the body, whether that's an emotion, then let's dive into that fully and we don't have to be worried about anything else or anywhere else, anything else that might also be getting our attention. Let's just go there Right. And again, this is where, if I can feel that.

Speaker 1:

It really kind of helps me, because if some people be so numb that they can't even access that, so then I can guide them to, okay, breathe through your body, reconnect, go inward, find this still place and just notice. What do you notice? How do you reconnect on the most basic sensory level? And then how I do it right is just being with that sorry, there's a loud car driving by, apologize, probably like blasting your earphones. How I do it is then I just fully and present with whatever that is that comes through first, and we I have no idea, they have no idea what will emerge from that, how long we need to stay there and what is, you know, embedded right, imprinted in that space. I don't know. Sometimes it's quick and sometimes you have to really sit there and be with that for a while and then, once you do that fully and completely, then it's just okay. Well, what are you aware of now? What?

Speaker 2:

are you?

Speaker 1:

aware of. Now it's like, oh, this idea, I just had a memory of this person. Or like, why am I thinking this? Or I'm seeing this color or a Wow, now I'm feeling this itch on the bottom of my foot.

Speaker 1:

It could be seem like it's the most outrageous thing, but it's just practice, at least how I do it, where it's just I call it tracking the energy, and then, if I'm not present with each step, not having an agenda around how fast that needs to unfold, if we're just at the very first step, I promise you something will emerge from that, and if nothing else, we are just attuning to the ability to do that. And sometimes that's where people start right, and there's no like where people start or no judgment about that. It's just really the the beauty that they're wanting to initiate this process. And so then we get better at listening again, at being with what it is that we've tried to suppress, and so it's unhealed inside of us, it's unresolved, whether we consciously did that or not, which is not usually the case that we're consciously saying, well, let me just push that down.

Speaker 1:

But sometimes that's the case right, and we're present with whatever that is in a way that it really gets to express itself fully and then usually that's it right, we don't have to worry about that anymore, we don't have to feel maybe there's more information to explore but now we're on to whatever the next sensation is, that's coming through and then we're just with that fully, and then we just keep going until you reach the bottom and there will be some shift or some relief and there's just a beautiful. I love when I'm working with people having even longer sessions to do that, because I don't want this rush or like, oh well, we got to go. What tend to be most popular is people who really want to book longer sessions and dive in, because they know this process of tracking the energy can get deep and sometimes it goes on all of these directions, and so being able to be fully present with that is a gift.

Speaker 2:

I love the way that you've just shared that and I will just share as well for myself personally.

Speaker 2:

You know what your resist persists and so for myself, I could never drop in with hypnosis. I mean, I'd even traveled to South America and took ayahuasca and everyone around me was experiencing the medicine and I sat numb to the potency of it, yawning, absolutely yawning. So there was definitely energy shifting, but that was the extent of what I could feel from the medicine and I think a lot of it had to be a lot of introspection and inquisition. I had to recognize some of the things that came out of my mouth or some of the things that I felt when certain things happened around me. I started to question what belief I had around it and where that belief came from. And I started to recognize sometimes that particular belief was perhaps someone else's, it was something that I had inherited from my parents or from an experience. Sometimes the belief was valid at one season of life, perhaps as a child.

Speaker 2:

The way we're seeing through a different lens and it's now redundant information because I'm a little wiser but often we still live in this practiced way to that initial belief, even though we no longer believe that to be true. And so it really was for myself, peeling back the layers of the onion. Is this true? Is it true for me? And again, that choice, do I want to choose for this to continue to be my truth, moving forward in the next moment? And I think when we do, I always say a statement closes the mind and a question opens the opportunity. And when we start asking what is that, what is underneath there, how do I want to feel and how am I feeling and what's there, I think that was really powerful. And I think, for myself, with all of this emotional numbing, where I was leading to with what you resist persists, is that when I actually found in my 30s, where I came into the most beautiful relationship, intimate relationship with a man who is very strongly in a healthy masculine energy, up until that point I had to embody the masculine energy myself to be able to keep myself safe. And so I was very intellectually driven, I was very hyper stimulated, my nervous system was always on the go and, you know, even I look at the way that I trained in my day to day life, the way I just kind of stimulated my body in every essence of it. I couldn't turn off. And then I met this beautiful man that allowed me to feel safe, to soften. I felt safe to, and it wasn't a conscious thing that happened. But I felt safe to come into that feminine energy and what was really quite interesting is that, despite years of punishing my body, with it was just always this really destructive way of living and never expressing any consequence to that.

Speaker 2:

I couldn't understand for the first year how come now I live at a slower pace, I'm a much more still and restorative practice that all of this pain is emerging in my body and I actually had come to a point where I was getting MRI scans for MS.

Speaker 2:

At one point the doctors just couldn't figure out what was happening.

Speaker 2:

I was getting loss of sensation, loss of feeling in the limbs, extreme pain that would move up my spine, and I kept saying to my partner I know that this is emotional stuff and although I've done NLP and I've got the tools, I need support from a practitioner to hold me through this that I can actually trust and feel safe to release these, this armor that I've been carrying.

Speaker 2:

And it was through working with the psychotherapist that I started to recognize that all of this emotion laid frozen in time and it was, as you say, shifting, becoming aware of where that energy is stored and without a model of expression, that energy has started to become denser and denser until it becomes material form and once it defrosted through softening, it's you know, all come about and it really is. I think it's trusting the process and knowing that there's always lessons in all of this to come back to, when I think it's really empowering meeting people like yourself who can hold that space and allow people to see that that physical expression. It is the what we're seeing today in our expression or our presentation. It's not necessarily what's happening today. It's the manifestation of that energy that had no outlet to move right.

Speaker 1:

Right, I love your story. It sounds like you're in a beautiful, wonderful place, but it's so true, right, we can get into a safe container, especially in intimate partnership, right. I had a similar story, not exactly the same, but with my own health journey right, where I'm well and even helping people in all of these ways mentally, spiritually, emotionally I was pretty good, but physically the expression of the way that that density was now kind of processing through my body as disease was really really hard and I had to keep that armor up, also masculine, for a long time. And really I think the only way we can truly surrender into that is to be an intimate partnership right. We can have, even with you, you know, to find somebody that can really hold that container for us, that we can soften and feel safe. And then what can happen is this spike can happen, right In terms of our symptomology, where we finally feel safe and so everything. It's like the floodgates are open and it's expressing and we're feeling things that we hadn't ever felt. And that's not an indication of anything being wrong in that partner shaker, in that container, but the opposite, right, I'm finally safe enough to fully express this and then it can move out and really it doesn't have to function as disease and the physical body However that expresses itself, although it can often be quite extreme. But to have a safe container to really like surrender into, where we can feel that there is nothing.

Speaker 1:

I always tell people that, like your work you do with me. If you're not partnered or if you are moving through healing your partnership or whatnot, like the, that last leg you will do with your partner. And so you know, be wise, be mindful about that really kind of choose. But the body knows, right, it will know when it's not in that space, when it can't fully surrender, and so I love hearing that.

Speaker 1:

It's a beautiful, it's a beautiful specific example that I bet a lot of people can relate to I know I personally can where it's like, oh, I can really finally surrender and then it can move.

Speaker 1:

It doesn't. You don't, don't be afraid it's going to be there forever, because if you give way to that right and a lot of what you were talking about so many times, it's the control that the mind has gotten so powerful, right to not really surrendering, even when you're taking, you know, plant medicine or even when you're under hypnosis is like we can all access that. But imagine how powerful that mechanism of control had to be to keep you safe, to keep you alert, to not surrender that. No wonder it had to come through in such an intense experience. For you, right, the avoidance and then the surrender, it's like makes all the sense in the world that that would come through so intensely Because that mechanism that you had adopted long ago whenever you needed that sounds like in your childhood had to you know it really had to feel safe, not to operate in the same way any longer.

Speaker 2:

And it was very interesting. You know it was the reverse order of healing, where it was emotional numbness, right the suppression, and the first expression of the physical world healing journey was loss of feeling in my hands, in my limbs, it was total numbness and then, as I started to become aware and do the work, it shifted from the numbness to the pain and so I now no longer lose feeling in my limbs, but now it's kind of shifted to pain and now that's slowly working through and disappearing and so it's, as they say, as above so below. So it's really, really potent, I think, to question these elements of the physical and the unseen as well.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, and it's the densest, I mean, for me that I can just kind of live in this kind of ethereal world, that I'm very content there.

Speaker 1:

But this wrestling with my body and the pain that I'll feel and the intensity of how that can come through is which, for me, was autoimmune disorder and migraines, and so the intensity of I'm just like man I don't know that everybody else is experiencing the world is intensely right and you just want that to go.

Speaker 1:

But when you can really accept it and be with it, I mean that definitely has been the last leg of my journey that is tremendously healed at this point, but not all the way gone. I still, you know, I'm in practice just being with that. It sounds like similar to you, which can be really hard. Right, but if we look at all the layers are being in this way and we can examine, well, what is the source, what layer is it that we're getting kind of hung up on, what layer has not been attended to or what layer is the most resistant, then we can start to have shifts in this. And so I'm so happy to hear that you've had this beautiful experience and I hope you move swiftly through with the pain and that that isn't too heavy on you for too long.

Speaker 2:

Oh, thank you. I think you've really given a really grounded understanding of this mystic process that you bring into your clinical practice, and I really do hope that it has. Perhaps that this is new information for some people, that it has planted that seed for exploration. I would love to know one thing that I ask all of my guests is if you could pose a question to our audience, a question that they can ask themselves. That may be the difference that makes the difference in their journey. What question would you encourage everyone to sit on? Hmm?

Speaker 1:

Great question, something along the lines of if you imagine the life, this thing, this destination that you want to get, this feeling that you want to have, and you almost kind of like reverse engineer that, because you really tap into what you imagine you're seeking or striving for, what you desire, and then if you could look at those things and then reverse engineer and ask, how am I showing up as the barrier to me having that? What is it that I'm doing or not doing? How am I the barrier to having exactly what it is that I imagine my life to be, that sometimes we can feel like, well, I'm not, I'm still seeking, I'm not yet there. Like how can I look in this very moment, imagining where it is that I'm trying to go and be so mindful and clear about that? And then what is it in my life right at this moment that is the barrier to me having that? Is it some effort I'm not making? Is it some healing? Is it some emotional hurt? Is it some trauma from just really sit with that and examine and you know not that that's inventing the wheel but really ask how am I the barrier to that?

Speaker 1:

Because I also fully believe that all true healing, this process of healing that we're, that we're always on, is always about personal responsibility. So it's not about looking outward and, you know, blaming or finding all the whys, right, but it's really about looking inward and owning completely the responsibility, taking the responsibility for our own journey. And are the things that I think I want? Do I really want them? Is that why they're not manifesting in my life? Am I somehow the barrier to that, achieving this virtue and value that I hold for myself? That, I imagine, is this ideal life that I'm going to have.

Speaker 1:

And so if you're not there, if you're not integrated and embodied in that yet, then how do you look and just be really honest and real with yourself at how you're not contributing to that which can be in any layer right, it could be. With our physical health, it could be. Hey, I want a partner, I want money or I want whatever it is that you want, right, that you imagine is going to give you something. How is it that you're contributing to the distance that still exists there?

Speaker 2:

I love, I love that question. It's a question that I wish someone had asked me many, many years ago, but it's something that's so potent because the fact that we can see it in our mind tells us that it is there in the quantum field, and so we do have to introspect on why it's not in our life. And a lot of people use so right in, are so quick to say it's because I don't have the money, or it's because this person's done this, or there's a thing outside of them stopping them. And I think that's a really beautiful answer that aligns so much with my message, which is personal responsibility through life and life experience, and I do believe that word responsibility in itself is our ability to respond right. So I think having that question turned back on us, where we can really challenge new ways of thinking and feeling into how we're showing up and questioning that, I think that's really powerful.

Speaker 1:

Well, I actually believe that, at all times, every single one of us is manifesting, but are we manifest what it is we truly desire? So, are we manifesting in a consciously powerful way right, that's delivering us the life that we want or are we manifesting exactly what it is that's sitting dormant inside of us as a wound, as a injury, as a hurt, as a victim, consciousness, as something like that? So I think that everything is happening through us at all times, and so to really understand that is important and even a more simplistic all. Turning back to the question piece, which may be an easier, simpler way of saying this, I'll often ask people if they say they want something.

Speaker 1:

You would be amazed at how many times I would ask them have you ever envisioned, can you actually imagine having that? Can you imagine having that? And if it's again whatever fill in the blank, a partner or whatever their dream might be right, can you actually imagine what that would look like? And so often the answer is no. And so if you can't even envision your life with the thing that you want, then how would you ever close the space between you and that thing? It would be impossible. And so how do we open up right which, again, this other question might help to do and understanding that at all times, we are manifesting. It's just. Are you manifesting, generating from your life the aspects that you truly desire, and doing so consciously, or are you not? Are you doing the opposite of that, which just draws more of everything that you may feel like you are enduring or suffering around towards you?

Speaker 2:

And so, yeah, so well said, so well said. This has been such a beautiful conversation. Casey, I feel like you and I could just chat for days on all of these topics of spirituality and quantum, and it's just beautiful. If any of my audience wanted to look into your work or work with you, how can they find you?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, so I work with people all over the world and I really want to work with Alarm Souls. If it resonates, you can go onto my website, which is shrinkfigurecom, and I have free meditations and things. You can read more about me. There's lots of other things that I've spoken on, podcasts and things that you can access and just get a feel for if it feels right, because ultimately, that feeling is going to give you a lot of information, and so, if it feels right to reach out, if I could hold a container for you, I'd be happy to do so. I'm also on Instagram at shrinkfigurecom, that's beautiful.

Speaker 2:

I'll make sure all of those links are in the show notes so people can come and find you. And is there a parting message you'd love to leave the audience with before we close our session?

Speaker 1:

Oh gosh, just an invitation to go inward, Like the investment in ourselves. There's no better investment. And so just spending time, even if that's on your own kind of solitary, in your own solitary way, diving in and really setting that intention to truly connect to yourself and to connect to your knowing being inside, then you won't regret it. There's no better way to be fully alive and experience this life.

Speaker 2:

Oh, Casey, thank you so much for your time today. It truly has been a beautiful chat.

Speaker 1:

Likewise, it's been so great being in your energy.

Speaker 2:

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